Press Foot Notes 8/30: True Freshmen, Injury Update, Position Battles

[PCHawk]

Honestly if CJ had KMM and Powell to throw to his numbers would have been quite a bit better. KMM was one of the most productive receivers in Iowa history.

People like to talk about how good our oline was last year but in my opinion they were considerably worse than the year before. Our running backs were the main reason for increased production in the run game and pass protection was borderline terrible.

I would have loved to see CJ throwing to the '14 receivers with the tackles from that year blocking for him. Put CJ with a healthy Danials, Canzeri, or Wadley on the '14 team and there is a very good chance we lose one game.

 

[PCHawk]

I don't recall saying CJ would have led us to a better '14 season, that was others. I am pretty sure YOU did mock those that said that.....so should you mock yourself for thinking Jake could have done what CJ did?

Listen man I don't give you crap when you are making a good and valid football X's and O's point. Yet this isn't it, this is actually your OPINION of why Iowa was better. You say the 5 PPG allowed better D lead to wins. I say that Iowa's 2 PPG increased scoring playing a QB at 50% tells you how tough and good of a leader that player is. It is an opinion, there is not fact or stat that you can quote that would prove Jake could have led us to 12-0 as well.

We almost lost to Ball fricking State. Rudock was a talented qb but he was a terrible fit for our offensive philosophy with Weisman as the tailback. It was the perfect storm of 3 yards per down.

 

[Ickehawk]

I don't recall saying CJ would have led us to a better '14 season, that was others. I am pretty sure YOU did mock those that said that.....so should you mock yourself for thinking Jake could have done what CJ did?

Listen man I don't give you crap when you are making a good and valid football X's and O's point. Yet this isn't it, this is actually your OPINION of why Iowa was better. You say the 5 PPG allowed better D lead to wins. I say that Iowa's 2 PPG increased scoring playing a QB at 50% tells you how tough and good of a leader that player is. It is an opinion, there is not fact or stat that you can quote that would prove Jake could have led us to 12-0 as well.

What does QB have to do with their rushing TD's increasing? That's where the additional points came from. He handed the ball off better? I have never said that either season would be different depending on the QB, I keep arguing that there is no way to prove it, so what is the point of making such preposterous statements.

 

[deanvogs]

What does QB have to do with their rushing TD's increasing? That's where the additional points came from. He handed the ball off better? I have never said that either season would be different depending on the QB, I keep arguing that there is no way to prove it, so what is the point of making such preposterous statements.

We got 18 yards more per game on the ground than in '14 (181 vs 163), so what? Are you saying we won 5 more games because we got 18 YPG more on the ground? If so, I might go on a epic Icke type rant on you for being incredibly stupid.

Stats mean nothing, you can make them play however you want. The bottom line is wins, and right or wrong a QB is ultimately judged by them. The reason is because they hold an inordinate amount of sway over a winning or losing a game, much more so than any other position in football. One critical TO by a QB can lose a game, missing a wide open WR running naked can cost you a win. They have the ball in their hands way more than anyone, they make checks at the LOS to get us into the right plays, they have so much more influence on the game than anyone. You know all this, it seems you are just being deliberately obtuse in this vein to try to make a point that you have ZERO WAY TO PROVE (that Jake could have somehow led the '15 team to 12 wins).

 

[PCHawk]

What does QB have to do with their rushing TD's increasing? That's where the additional points came from. He handed the ball off better? I have never said that either season would be different depending on the QB, I keep arguing that there is no way to prove it, so what is the point of making such preposterous statements.

Most rushing tds come from the redzone and the qb plays a big part in getting the offense into the redzone.

Sometimes you have to look at the data and make an educated assumption. Like dark matter or planet 9.

 

[Ickehawk]

We led the big ten in running plays over 30 yds. last year. We had 0 in 2014, so you can throw that 'theory' out the window......Remember, when you 'assume', you make an ass out of u and u.....

 

[David79]

Rudock wasn't as bad as people make him out to be. He actually threw a pretty decent long ball. The defense and running game definitely played a big factor when he was the QB. It is true he can't make all the throws Beathard can and he wasn't the leader Beathard is but he wasn't the main reason they weren't that good. Just look at the Wisconsin and Nebraska games for instance in the year before. Those games weren't lost because of Rudock. The defense and running game were bad.

 

[David79]

Honestly if CJ had KMM and Powell to throw to his numbers would have been quite a bit better. KMM was one of the most productive receivers in Iowa history.

People like to talk about how good our oline was last year but in my opinion they were considerably worse than the year before. Our running backs were the main reason for increased production in the run game and pass protection was borderline terrible.

I would have loved to see CJ throwing to the '14 receivers with the tackles from that year blocking for him. Put CJ with a healthy Danials, Canzeri, or Wadley on the '14 team and there is a very good chance we lose one game.

Um, Powell? really? is that a joke?

 

[Ickehawk]

We got 18 yards more per game on the ground than in '14 (181 vs 163), so what? Are you saying we won 5 more games because we got 18 YPG more on the ground? If so, I might go on a epic Icke type rant on you for being incredibly stupid.

Stats mean nothing, you can make them play however you want. The bottom line is wins, and right or wrong a QB is ultimately judged by them. The reason is because they hold an inordinate amount of sway over a winning or losing a game, much more so than any other position in football. One critical TO by a QB can lose a game, missing a wide open WR running naked can cost you a win. They have the ball in their hands way more than anyone, they make checks at the LOS to get us into the right plays, they have so much more influence on the game than anyone. You know all this, it seems you are just being deliberately obtuse in this vein to try to make a point that you have ZERO WAY TO PROVE (that Jake could have somehow led the '15 team to 12 wins).

I know what you're saying, I couldn't believe how many times CJ missed seeing wide open receivers down the field last year........If you don't think our run game was way better last year than 2014 (YPC, TD's, long runs, better ball security, etc), I don't know what to tell you. And if you don't think our defense was WAY better last year than 2014, there's really no hope for you. And I haven't even brought up what every college head coach will tell you is one of if not the most important thing....turnovers and turnover margin! We went from -6 in 2014 to plus 11 in 2015!!! That's a 17 turnover swing and probably the most telling difference!!! And had almost nothing to do with the QB's. You 'fans' have been brainwashed into how important the QB is to winning and losing, blah, blah, blah, but we all know that DEFENSE wins championships. Did the team with the better QB win the national championship last year? Hmmm.....Alabama somehow won the championship with a 'game manager' QB, a strong run game and a good defense.

 

[PCHawk]

Um, Powell? really? is that a joke?

Powell made more huge gain catches than the entire team did combined last year probably.

 

[PCHawk]

I know what you're saying, I couldn't believe how many times CJ missed seeing wide open receivers down the field last year........If you don't think our run game was way better last year than 2014 (YPC, TD's, long runs, better ball security, etc), I don't know what to tell you. And if you don't think our defense was WAY better last year than 2014, there's really no hope for you. And I haven't even brought up what every college head coach will tell you is one of if not the most important thing....turnovers and turnover margin! We went from -6 in 2014 to plus 11 in 2015!!! That's a 17 turnover swing and probably the most telling difference!!! And had almost nothing to do with the QB's. You 'fans' have been brainwashed into how important the QB is to winning and losing, blah, blah, blah, but we all know that DEFENSE wins championships. Did the team with the better QB win the national championship last year? Hmmm.....Alabama somehow won the championship with a 'game manager' QB, a strong run game and a good defense.

"Defense wins championships" is one of the most brain washed phrases in football. Someone said it once and it sounded cool so everyone says it now. A good offense is equally important as a good defense.

 

[kicker22]

Not going to join the pissing contest because I honestly find it amusing, but one thing that hasn't been touched on was the ability to move the chains. Last year we moved the chains and kept more drives alive then we did the previous year. This keeps our offense moving and keeps our defense off the field leading to more yards (whether rushing or passing), more scoring opportunities, less points allowed, and a fresh defense.

Just my thoughts.

 

[kicker22]

"Defense wins championships" is one of the most brain washed phrases in football. Someone said it once and it sounded cool so everyone says it now. A good offense is equally important as a good defense.

I don't think anyone is saying that a good offense isn't important, but regardless of how good your offense is, you'll never lose if you allow less points than your opponent. And leagues that don't play D (cough cough BIG12) aren't winning too many championships.

 

[PCHawk]

I don't think anyone is saying that a good offense isn't important, but regardless of how good your offense is, you'll never lose if you allow less points than your opponent. And leagues that don't play D (cough cough BIG12) aren't winning too many championships.

They aren't winning championships because they are terrible on one of the two sides of the ball. Teams that win championships are at least good at both. And you also will never lose of your offense scores more points.

 

[deanvogs]

I know what you're saying, I couldn't believe how many times CJ missed seeing wide open receivers down the field last year........If you don't think our run game was way better last year than 2014 (YPC, TD's, long runs, better ball security, etc), I don't know what to tell you. And if you don't think our defense was WAY better last year than 2014, there's really no hope for you. And I haven't even brought up what every college head coach will tell you is one of if not the most important thing....turnovers and turnover margin! We went from -6 in 2014 to plus 11 in 2015!!! That's a 17 turnover swing and probably the most telling difference!!! And had almost nothing to do with the QB's. You 'fans' have been brainwashed into how important the QB is to winning and losing, blah, blah, blah, but we all know that DEFENSE wins championships. Did the team with the better QB win the national championship last year? Hmmm.....Alabama somehow won the championship with a 'game manager' QB, a strong run game and a good defense.

So QB is irrelevant to you. Since you live in hypothetical land, what QB's over the KF ERA could have led the team to 12-0. You seem convince Jake could have, who else???

For a guy who rips others OPINIONS, you seem bound and determined to die on this hill (by that I mean pretending that you know other QB could do what CJ did). You are no longer talking X's and O's, you are simply spewing your opinion and unfortunately your opinion sounds just sounds stupid as hell to me.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Good God, this is a PRESS NOTES thread! In other words, the second most-boring thread you can read (the obvious being a KF presser transcript). And Icke lets it get to a whole quarter page before going off? Come on, Icke, get it in gear!

 

[Ickehawk]

So QB is irrelevant to you. Since you live in hypothetical land, what QB's over the KF ERA could have led the team to 12-0. You seem convince Jake could have, who else???

For a guy who rips others OPINIONS, you seem bound and determined to die on this hill (by that I mean pretending that you know other QB could do what CJ did). You are no longer talking X's and O's, you are simply spewing your opinion and unfortunately your opinion sounds just sounds stupid as hell to me.

It is an 'informed' opinion supported by facts and stats, not be emotions. You believe that CJ is some superhero that single handedly created an undefeated regular season that no other QB could have done, and I say he is a good QB who was in the right place at the right time. We had 2 really good QB's but have no way of knowing how either season would have turned out in different circumstances, so it is ridiculous to specualted how either season would have went with the 'other' QB playing. That's all I have ever said. I 'used' to think you were a little smarter than most on here, but I'm starting to lose faith in you. Ask any coach if they don't think they would win a lot more games if the improved their TO margin by 17!!!!!! 17!!!!! And once again, the Defense being able to get critical stops, hold up in the 4th quarter and create lots of turnovers was more instrumental in their improvement than the QB play. You don't think their were other QB's in the NCAA last year that could have led this team to the same result or better? Right, lol... How good would've Drew Tate's team been if they had a RUNNING GAME!!! It's you guys that keep saying that Iowa would have been better in 2014 if CJ would have played and that's just preposterous, and it's you guys that think he's the biggest reason the went undefeated and that is simply wrong........If the Defense takes a step back this year, turnover margin decreases dramatically, special teams slip up, etc...do you think your superhero is going to 'sling' his way to victory? He's a 'good' QB but he's no superstar. He can't 'carry' a team with his arm, and he hasn't had to yet, has he....

 

[deanvogs]

It is an 'informed' opinion supported by facts and stats, not be emotions. You believe that CJ is some superhero that single handedly created an undefeated regular season that no other QB could have done, and I say he is a good QB who was in the right place at the right time. We had 2 really good QB's but have no way of knowing how either season would have turned out in different circumstances, so it is ridiculous to specualted how either season would have went with the 'other' QB playing. That's all I have ever said. I 'used' to think you were a little smarter than most on here, but I'm starting to lose faith in you. Ask any coach if they don't think they would win a lot more games if the improved their TO margin by 17!!!!!! 17!!!!! And once again, the Defense being able to get critical stops, hold up in the 4th quarter and create lots of turnovers was more instrumental in their improvement than the QB play. You don't think their were other QB's in the NCAA last year that could have led this team to the same result or better? Right, lol... How good would've Drew Tate's team been if they had a RUNNING GAME!!! It's you guys that keep saying that Iowa would have been better in 2014 if CJ would have played and that's just preposterous, and it's you guys that think he's the biggest reason the went undefeated and that is simply wrong........If the Defense takes a step back this year, turnover margin decreases dramatically, special teams slip up, etc...do you think your superhero is going to 'sling' his way to victory? He's a 'good' QB but he's no superstar. He can't 'carry' a team with his arm, and he hasn't had to yet, has he....

I have never said what you are saying I said. Why can't you get that through your skull? I in fact claimed we have no idea if '14 has more wins with CJ, and you applauded that. Yet when I say you have no clue how many wins Iowa would have had in '15 with Jake, you try to claim Jake could have done the same when you have no clue if he could have???? You know how stupid and inconsistent that makes you look?

Oh, and Drew Tate did have a good running game in '05, but they weren't that good. He had an absolute ELITE D in '04 though, much better than the '15 D.

The TEAM was night and day better in '15 than '14. The RB played better, the QB play was better, the LB play was much better and the DB play was better. If you simply say that QB yards tell you who the best QB is, then you must think the James Vandenberg was better than Brad Banks, Stanzi, Tate, Jake, and CJ.

Now please quit acting like the stupid posters you rip all the time, and go back to posting thoughtful and useful X's and O's that you used to do.

 

[DJL]

I don't recall saying CJ would have led us to a better '14 season, that was others. I am pretty sure YOU did mock those that said that.....so should you mock yourself for thinking Jake could have done what CJ did?

Listen man I don't give you crap when you are making a good and valid football X's and O's point. Yet this isn't it, this is actually your OPINION of why Iowa was better. You say the 5 PPG allowed better D lead to wins. I say that Iowa's 2 PPG increased scoring playing a QB at 50% tells you how tough and good of a leader that player is. It is an opinion, there is not fact or stat that you can quote that would prove Jake could have led us to 12-0 as well.

It is just my opinion, but there are certain plays in certain games that CJ made, that lifted the team. That kind of thing is outside of statistical analysis. You can know every x and o in the world but it's a lot harder to measure leadership and motivation. If you have played any sport you understand these things matter. The only stat we have for last year's team is 12-0. My opinion is that it wouldn't have been the same with Jake.

 

[deanvogs]

It is just my opinion, but there are certain plays in certain games that CJ made, that lifted the team. That kind of thing is outside of statistical analysis. You can know every x and o in the world but it's a lot harder to measure leadership and motivation. If you have played any sport you understand these things matter. The only stat we have for last year's team is 12-0. My opinion is that it wouldn't have been the same with Jake.

The thing is I would be very very skeptical of saying ANY KF Era QB could have led the team to a 12-0 regular season. There is a reason Iowa has never gone 12-0 in a season before, it is nearly impossible to do. To say that you can easily just change a QB and they could accomplish 12-0 is pretty stupid really. I mean the '15 team wasn't the most talent laden KF squad. The '02 team or even the '04 (that Defense man) or 09 teams (lots of NFL talent on that roster) had more individual talent. Yet those 3 teams with 3 good QB's couldn't go 12-0. To say that just any QB could have taken the '15 team and led them to an undefeated season is just an OPINION, and a silly one at that.