Preseason rankings could spell trouble for Wisconsin

Count me in as one of those who was very disappointed to see Iowa and Wisconsin split up when the Big 10 announced its divisional format.

As a Hawk fan living in the Badger state, I have enjoyed this rivalry a great deal and followed Wisconsin football closely. It's too bad the two teams won't play again until 2013. The programs are so close and mirror each other in many ways... but there's one area, in particular, in which the two schools have differed in recent years and that should have Wisconsin fans nervous for the upcoming campaign.

Here's a deeper look at the rivalry.

Since 2002, Iowa is 78-36 overall with a 5-3 record in bowl games and two BCS appearances.

Since 2002, Wisconsin is 83-34 overall with a 4-5 record in bowl games and one BCS appearance.

Over the course of those 9 seasons, Iowa is 6-3 head-to-head with an impressive 3-1 record at Camp Randall. It's a safe bet that no one else has fared better on Wisconsin's home field in that time. (Ohio State is 2-2.) The average score in those 9 games is 24-15 Iowa.

Over the past 9 years, Iowa has had 39 draft picks; Wisconsin has had 35. Iowa has had 5 1st round picks in that time (two OL, two defensive players and one skill position); Wisconsin has had 4 1st round picks (two OL, one on defense and one skill position.)

The programs are close and have experienced a lot of success since 2002. However, it's been rare to see the analysts predict that both will be very good in the same year --- and that has led to an interesting statistic.

Let me explain.

Since 2002, Iowa and Wisconsin have BOTH been ranked in the AP Preseason Top 25 twice. (2004 & 2010)

In four of the past nine seasons, Iowa has been unranked going into the year with Wisconsin in the AP Preseason Top 25. (2002, 2003, 2007, 2008) In three of those four campaigns, (2002, 2003, 2008) Iowa has finished the year in the AP Top 25 with Wisconsin nowhere to be found.

Conversely, Iowa has started ranked/Wisconsin unranked in three years since 2002. In two of those three, Iowa has finished unranked while Wisconsin made the final AP Top 25.

Since the 2011 Preseason AP poll won't be out for several weeks, we don't know for sure where the teams will fall, but many publications are out with their predictions and they have Iowa off the radar and Wisconsin anywhere from 10th to 23rd. If that rings true and we see the Badgers in the mix and Iowa out of the Preseason AP poll... I sure hope the aforementioned trend continues to play itself out for at least one more season.

For whatever reason, both schools seem to excel when expectations are lower and a lot of experts are high on the Badgers this year. Many think --- with Ohio State's troubles and the prospect of Russell Wilson moving to Madison --- that Wisconsin is in the driver's seat in the Big 10.

I disagree based on what history shows.

They struggle when expectations are greatest.

I wouldn't be surprised if Wisconsin's season mirrors Iowa from a year ago with an early-season loss to a Pac 10 team (Oregon State) and some close, bitter losses in conference play to teams they should beat (Nebraska at home and either Illinois or Minnesota on the road.) They also have tough games on the road at Michigan State and Ohio State in successive weeks.

Don't be surprised if they finish 8-5 and out of the rankings at the end of the year.

If that happens, and Iowa ends up surprising the experts... we can revisit this trend once again next summer.
 
Good post. I to like or respect or whatever you want to call it, Wiskey. I hope they do better than what you say they will, we have played them for ever and it would be nice to see them play again this year. We all know what that will take. A historical rivalry in a historical game.
I cant beleive B10 list that rivalry at around #5, yet cr@pped all over it by not keeping it going.
 
Good post UW and Iowa are mirror images of each other and programs are run the same. I agree hate too see the yearly game go away great game!!

It will be interesting neither school has had much success when expectations are very high.
 
Great post.I always thought this was a rivalry more than Minnesota.We always get up for them as much as they get up for us.It's to bad that we don't play each other every year.
 
Oregon St. as of late has been a tough team. Are the two brothers gone? Anybody know how good they'll be this year.

I love how Wisky loves to play Pac-12 teams, I wish Iowa would schedule more. The Arizona games have been great!
 
Oregon St. as of late has been a tough team. Are the two brothers gone? Anybody know how good they'll be this year.

I love how Wisky loves to play Pac-12 teams, I wish Iowa would schedule more. The Arizona games have been great!

Quizz Rodgers (the tailback) is gone, he left early for the draft. His brother James (the wideout) is still there. Those two had me watching the Beavers almost any chance I could get. They are/were a lot of fun to watch.
 
Big 10 teams like Wisconsin, Illinois, Mich St, NW, Penn St and soon to be Nebraska are our true rivalries. The clown game falls way down the list as far as a rivalry. The Iowa/clown series simply does not match up with Big 10 teams we have been playing for 80 years or more (for most). Wisconsin in my opinion is a rivalry in the truest sense. After all these years the records between the two teams is almost .500, we have beaten them as much as they have beaten us. Illinois, simply because of the bad blood between the two schools.

Iowa is the ONLY rivalry that the clowns has. They have NO rivalries in their conference. They truly are meaningless when it comes to a football program. I ask, how could a school have a football program SO long and not have ANY rivalries in their conference. Without Iowa, the clowns would have no rivalry game of any kind. To the clowns, Iowa is their PRIMARY rivalry; to most Iowa fans, the rivalry would easily fall to sixth or seventh compared to most Big 10 teams. Even NW is becoming a larger rivalry than the clowns.
 
Good job with your first post. Interesting. I like the comparison of who is ranked & where they end up at the end of the year. I guess you pointed out at the very beginning why that trend could possibly change. This is because, as you pointed out, Wisky & Iowa will not play each other on a yearly basis. When they played each other in the past, & win or loss against each other prob had a big impact if one of the teams moved up or moved down in the rankings. That one game prob has a major impact where they would end up in the AP.

The fact that they don't play each other could now allow both teams to be close in the standings if both have a good year. So, the trend of having one up while the other is down could change the years they don't meet.

I love the Iowa-Wisky game & will miss it until 2013.
 
Iowa-Wisconsin all-time series record: 42-42-2

The author mentions the record since 2002, but I wanted to expand it to 2000 to show the 6-5 record. Average margin of victory for either team? ~9 points. And that includes the couple romps by Iowa. 6 games out of the last 11 have been decided by a TD or less.

For me, there are three teams in the B1G that are pretty similar when it comes to styles of play, coaching, etc, which leads to pretty competitive series. Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan State.

Like I mentioned, Iowa-Wisconsin all-time is a perfect .500 at 42-42-2. 6-5 Iowa since 2000.

Iowa-Michigan State since 2000? 6-3 Iowa (did not play 05 or 06). All-time series is 22-18-2, advantage Iowa. Just like against Wisky, we own a few big wins against them, but 4 of 9 games have been decided by 5 points or less. It's 5 of 9 if you move the margin of victory up to 7 points.

Wisconsin-MSU since 2000? 5-4 Wisky (did not play 05 and 06). All-time series is at 21-28, advantage MSU. Though, their games aren't as close as Iowa-Wisconsin (only a couple under 7 points).

While the Iowa-Wisconsin-MSU rivalries are rarely the cause for heated arguments as Iowa-ISU or Wisconsin-Minnesota, I'm pretty disappointed Wisky moves off the schedule for 2 years.
 
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