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But Prater is awesome...just listen long enough, that dude is the biggest self promoting crap talker around. Bottom line...Prater couldn't cover my grandma and his mental lapses kill us-see late in the ISU game. On another note, maybe it's me, but just about every third down that was an obvious pass situation last night NW picked on whatever LB was covering one of their wideouts, EVERY FREAKING TIME! I think it would be amazing if the Hawks would be aggressive and go away from their base defense when the situation
dictates. The lack of aggressive coaching with staff breeds playing to your opponents level and it drives me CRAZY!
 
Hard to fault a guy up 17 with 3 minutes and 3rd stringer in to think, hey he can't make that throw. Leaving the WR wide open at the 10, unexcusable!
 
Hyde is a play-maker, but he is not a natural corner ... I still think his future is at safety if he wants to play professionally because he looks stiff at times in coverage, but he makes big, big plays and has a great feel for the ball in the air. Needs to improve his tackling.

Prater is the opposite, good pure corner skills, and although has big play capability, doesn't show it often enough, partly because of the scheme. Good tackler, that is when he wants to be.
 
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bwsmoney said:
Hyde is a play-maker, but he is not a natural corner ... I still think his future is at safety if he wants to play professionally because he looks stiff at times in coverage, but he makes big, big plays and has a great feel for the ball in the air. Needs to improve his tackling.

Prater is the opposite, good pure corner skills, and although has big play capability, doesn't show it often enough, partly because of the scheme. Good tackler, that is when he wants to be.
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Prater has the physical skills to be great. It's upstairs where he struggles. He peeks into the backfield a lot. That TD last week was hardly the first time he's done that, and it likely won't be the last. He's also a gambler in coverage, going for the pick when maybe it's best to play the man and bat the ball down. When you do that, it often results in a big play.....for either the defense OR the offense.

Gambling a little isn't that bad, though. But the backfield-peeking is.
 
bwsmoney said:
Hyde is a play-maker, but he is not a natural corner ... I still think his future is at safety if he wants to play professionally because he looks stiff at times in coverage, but he makes big, big plays and has a great feel for the ball in the air. Needs to improve his tackling.

Prater is the opposite, good pure corner skills, and although has big play capability, doesn't show it often enough, partly because of the scheme. Good tackler, that is when he wants to be.
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I would take Hyde at corner over Prater 50 times out 50.

This is a career long assessment, too.
 
TylerSash said:
I would take Hyde at corner over Prater 50 times out 50.

This is a career long assessment, too.
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That doesn't make him the better natural corner. Like I said, Prater has all the physical skill. Hyde, physically, isn't an ideal corner.

Prater is almost like Hyde was at safety. The physical skill is a perfect fit. It's the decisions/habits between the ears that bit both of them this year.
 
tm3308 said:
That doesn't make him the better natural corner. Like I said, Prater has all the physical skill. Hyde, physically, isn't an ideal corner.

Prater is almost like Hyde was at safety. The physical skill is a perfect fit. It's the decisions/habits between the ears that bit both of them this year.
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I will take the guy that knows how to play the ball, break-up passes, and make INTs, probably the 3 most important qualities in a CB.
 
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I like Prater as a Hawkeye and back him, but I asked the question pre-season whether he was worthy of the all-american status and HN had a melt-down. Like I said, I am glad he is a Hawk, and he has made plays for us, but I dont know if he is an all american. I think he can be a good corner, but he has been average to below average performance wise this year.
 
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I will take the guy that knows how to play the ball, break-up passes, and make INTs, probably the 3 most important qualities in a CB.
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I didn't say that Hyde isn't better. But his place in the NFL isn't at corner. He'll be a safety, just like most of the good corners we've had.

If doing the things you listed, in college, were the most important thing to the NFL, Jovon Johnson wouldn't be a star in the CFL.

Prater is, physically, a natural at corner. Hyde, physically, is a natural at safety. Just because Hyde is very good at corner doesn't mean his natural place is there.
 
tm3308 said:
I didn't say that Hyde isn't better. But his place in the NFL isn't at corner. He'll be a safety, just like most of the good corners we've had.

If doing the things you listed, in college, were the most important thing to the NFL, Jovon Johnson wouldn't be a star in the CFL.

Prater is, physically, a natural at corner. Hyde, physically, is a natural at safety. Just because Hyde is very good at corner doesn't mean his natural place is there.
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Comparing Jovon Johnson to Hyde is like comparing Dominic Alvis to Matt Roth.
 
TylerSash said:
Comparing Jovon Johnson to Hyde is like comparing Dominic Alvis to Matt Roth.
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For Christ's sake, you just don't seem to get what this discussion is centered on. Hyde is, physically, a natural at safety, not corner. But he was playing safety like a corner, and biffed his assignments. Prater is a natural corner. He's got all the physical skills, he just doesn't always make the right decision when he gambles, and he peeks too much (a relatively common bad habit).

Besides, YOU'RE the one who initially compared Hyde to Johnson, not me.
 
Am I missing something? Prater made a couple mistakes, but overall I didn't hear his name all that much... And that's a good thing. He wasn't constantly getting burned... Good corners keep the qb from throwing their direction... Did he not do that? Maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention... because I certainly don't think he is as bad as a lot of you make him out to be...
 
he got beat a bunch of times at both the games i've been to this year. i saw a couple times on sat where he was beat as well. He's not having a great year, IMO, hope he turns it around.
 
Caarhawk nailed this in a thread a couple of days ago, Prater is a classic example of a guy trying to do too much. It has been the case since Nielsen/Tarp went down last year. He does not trust his teammates can make the play. That is why he is getting caught peeking in the backfield, being out of position, indecisive on whether to help underneath which in turn leads to being beat over the top.


Go back to the '09 season he could afford to gamble, he had Edds/Hunter underneath Sash/Greenwood deep.
 
TylerSash said:
Prater has been beaten multiple time in every game this year.
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TylerSash said:
You keep saying this over and over again, but that doesn't make it true. He is more like Jovon Johson than Hyde is.
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You keep missing the point. Prater has the talent. What he's lacking right now is the decision-making. He is physically capable of being great. He has more physical talent for the position than Hyde. What's been holding him back is between the ears.
 
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