Power of coaching changes.

Iowa had four consecutive coaches that were awful. Burns, Nagel, FXL & Commings were far worse than Ferentz. Evy hired the first two & Bump hired the last two. Bump didn't get it right until his third hire. Be careful what you wish for!

You're also talking about the 60's and 70's. The game is so much different now. Football is such an important aspect of a university these days that there's almost certainly a much more thorough vetting process. I like our chances of improving if we made a coaching change. Things have just gotten incredibly stale, and this is the lowest level of enthusiasm I've seen in my life.
 
The two I know, and they're as big as they get, are on board and say that there's enough to keep him. One was blunt enough to tell me that they are the ones that will decide (as if we didn't already know).

That's corporate America ... money can buy you lot's o power, an enormous ego and an entitlement mentality but it sure as sh!t doesn't buy you much for brains. Case in point ... your 2 Heavyweight donors. Pretty obvious they don't know much about good coaching and watchable football if they still have the delusion "there's enough to keep him".

I'll outright call them fvcking hypocrites who don't give a rats azz about quality sports at the University of Iowa. But, hey, as long as they can stroke themselves at the sight of their name on the facade, waddle down the aisle to their courtside seat or lug up to the press box suite they can keep patting themselves on the back for keeping the machine oiled.

#FAT CATS
 
The two I know, and they're as big as they get, are on board and say that there's enough to keep him. One was blunt enough to tell me that they are the ones that will decide (as if we didn't already know).

You say there are two you know, and I have no reason to doubt you. Do they say why they are so loyal to KFz, or what reason they have to want to keep him while so many others seem to want him gone.

For the record, I have always been in the "Be careful what you wish for" camp, but find myself growing weary when I look to the Hawks future. You know other coaches are using the fan unrest against him in recruiting.
 
I would like to see a more athletic-friendly successor to Sally Mason and Barta gone with a competent AD to replace him before looking for a new football coach. I want Iowa to get the best possible candidates out there to replace KF and with capable admins they will do just that.
 
You're also talking about the 60's and 70's. The game is so much different now. Football is such an important aspect of a university these days that there's almost certainly a much more thorough vetting process. I like our chances of improving if we made a coaching change. Things have just gotten incredibly stale, and this is the lowest level of enthusiasm I've seen in my life.

If you are an upper echelon team with a top 10 history then you can pull in a good coach with a proven record against good D1 competition. That's not us.

The program is stale and I think it needs a coaching change but I am very apprehensive at what we may get. A few that show the problem; Michigan replacing Carr with Rich Rod, Nebby replacing Solich with Callahan, etc. Iowa replacing Davis with Alford, replacing Alford with Licklieter.
 

No, that actually makes sense. We have a tendency to lose to ISU, and if they're willing to donate to ISU instead if KF is canned, then they're really ISU fans just trying to keep KF around so they can beat us half the time.
 
I would like to see a more athletic-friendly successor to Sally Mason and Barta gone with a competent AD to replace him before looking for a new football coach. I want Iowa to get the best possible candidates out there to replace KF and with capable admins they will do just that.

The other element is, even if successful the next several years, I would guess we will definitely have to replace KF after 2020. I just don't see him staying beyond then.

While I think football is important to him, he also seems very much the type that believes in football as something he loves, but it doesn't define his existence.

That's why the Mason-replacement-hire is crucial. While we don't want a Gordon Gee type, we certainly don't want the third coming of Hunter Rawlings, given that Mason was the second coming.

I think we all realize there is more to the university than just football or basketball or whatever sport(s) we follow. But we also aren't Ivy League or some other eastern school, where the plaid pants you wear to a late-November tailgate "social" are more important than how the old alma mater happens to be doing on the field, or where you only go to the football game that day because the 1980-something lacrosse team reunion doesn't start until 7p.
 
That's corporate America ... money can buy you lot's o power, an enormous ego and an entitlement mentality but it sure as sh!t doesn't buy you much for brains. Case in point ... your 2 Heavyweight donors. Pretty obvious they don't know much about good coaching and watchable football if they still have the delusion "there's enough to keep him".

I'll outright call them fvcking hypocrites who don't give a rats azz about quality sports at the University of Iowa. But, hey, as long as they can stroke themselves at the sight of their name on the facade, waddle down the aisle to their courtside seat or lug up to the press box suite they can keep patting themselves on the back for keeping the machine oiled.

#FAT CATS

Methinks a little class envy and shouts of income inequality are part of your shtick.

The great thing about America--for the time being--is you can learn and earn and burn and tell everyone else to f*** off. And if throwing a little weight around does it for someone, they're free to do it.

Once you can--or will-pony up similar cash, you'll have similar sway.

But...if you REALLY believe football is that important an aspect of a university, I respectfully disagree. It's important to you, to me, and others posting here, perhaps. In the grand scheme of things? Probably not as big as we would like, but there'd be a reason for it. More people, after all, watch the Super Bowl for the commercials. Sort of like we only bought Playboy for the articles :)
 
Methinks a little class envy and shouts of income inequality are part of your shtick.

The great thing about America--for the time being--is you can learn and earn and burn and tell everyone else to f*** off. And if throwing a little weight around does it for someone, they're free to do it.

Once you can--or will-pony up similar cash, you'll have similar sway.

But...if you REALLY believe football is that important an aspect of a university, I respectfully disagree. It's important to you, to me, and others posting here, perhaps. In the grand scheme of things? Probably not as big as we would like, but there'd be a reason for it. More people, after all, watch the Super Bowl for the commercials. Sort of like we only bought Playboy for the articles :)

No class envy nor political whining from me in the least. I don't begrudge anyone making as much as they can nor doing with it what they will. Also understand that $$ = favors = power. The socio-economic climate in America is what it is, I accept most of the way it plays out and have done pretty well for myself playing along.

My criticism is exactly what I stated ... if these donors are "as big as they get", they obviously have a lot of money. They also have proclaimed that "they are the ones to decide [when der KirkFer goes]", which indicates they either:
1) have the power (I get it and don't have that big of issue with it.);
2) the expectation that their donations have bought them certain entitlements, priveleges and power; or
3) enormous egos.

My conclusion is that, despite the money and power, these super-rich donors with such enormous influence on Iowa football coaching decisions are, at best, complete morons and / or, at worse, complete hypocrites.

They're complete morons because, after a decade-long history of repetitive strategical fails, personnel mismangement and underachieving performance relative to talent, they still believe "there's enough to keep him". As I originally called it ... that makes them pretty stupid to have such a erroneous assessment.

They're hypocrites because, IF (and the above tends to demonstrate this to be a stretch) they actually do understand competent coaching that leads to competitive, quality football and they feel compelled to contribute large amounts of money to the U of IA to support such a goal, why would they not exercise their power to remove overpaid, underperforming coaches that create inherent obstacles to achieving such success? Why would they allow such the Hawkeye football program they supposedly love enough to substantially subsidize such a gut-wrenching slow-bleed into a shambles of medicority?

Who with the financial means and the proclaimed power would allow such a thing to happen? Apparently the ignorant, Fat-Cat blowhard hypocritcal "biggest" donors of the Iowa Hawkeyes, that's who!

My shouts have nothing to do with their means and status compared to mine. It has everything to do with their blatant inaction in light of the necessity of what should be done.
 
I do not get the "careful what you wish for" crowd now.

We Have been trending down for over half a decade. We haven't been ranked since 2010. How long has it been since we beat a ranked team? We continually lose to ISU, and typically drop another game against a bottom feeder or MAC school.

We we average around 7 wins a year under KF. Do we really think we can't find someone to match that AND provide a more fun style of football to watch?

i am tired of losing the way we do. It's Groundhog Day over and over.

We Need a fresh start
 
I do not get the "careful what you wish for" crowd now.

We Have been trending down for over half a decade. We haven't been ranked since 2010. How long has it been since we beat a ranked team? We continually lose to ISU, and typically drop another game against a bottom feeder or MAC school.

We we average around 7 wins a year under KF. Do we really think we can't find someone to match that AND provide a more fun style of football to watch?

i am tired of losing the way we do. It's Groundhog Day over and over.

We Need a fresh start

I'm not in the "careful what you wish for" crowd on KF. It is time for a change period, not matter if the change is good, bad or the same. If we hire a good coach we can get good Hayden/good KF type results. If we hire a bad coach we will get bad Hayden/bad KF type results.

The fact of the matter is I doubt very much that Iowa gets a coach that take us to some level that Hayden or KF didn't achieve. I mean I hope like hellz that the next guy takes Iowa to a Oregon/TCU/Baylor type assention in the football hierarchy......but the realist in me just doesn't see that ever happening.
 
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This. Heller was a huge upgrade over Dahm, just like Fran has been a big upgrade over Lickliter. Lick wasn't an upgrade over Alford and Rich Rod wasn't an upgrade over Lloyd Carr at Michigan.

Yeah I think that Michigan Carr engine threw a Rod. :)
 
Your last line is where I'm at. It's hard to turn things around when you have to recruit as a coach that's probably on the outs. If Kirk gets refocused, there is a chance. But it's hard to do much worse than tired, burned out Kirk.
It’s funny to think Kirk was burned out in 2015.
 
Good point, although I think a compelling case could be made that the net cost to Iowa would be less due to lagging ticket sales and related lost revenue as a result of the growing apathy. 5,000 fewer season ticket sales, which I think is foreseeable, is $1.75 million; over a couple of years, plus other lost revenue, that starts to add up.
Stop the nonsense. Sell out this year for all home games, including students, and Hawk fans traveling well as usual. Bad record this year? Little change in season ticks.
 
Outside of 2013, they've underachieved every year since 2009 - that's more than lately. Which leads to your second point, I think it depends on whose goodwill tank you're looking at. The fans? Barely any left. Barta? Probably still a lot. Thus, barring a complete disaster (2-10), I don't see Barta firing him at the end of the year. It's complicated, for sure.
Fans, barely any left.. yeah, except for all home games sold out. Even some students could not get tickets. And, TV $$ explodes. What planet do you live on grasshopper?
 
No, that actually makes sense. We have a tendency to lose to ISU, and if they're willing to donate to ISU instead if KF is canned, then they're really ISU fans just trying to keep KF around so they can beat us half the time.
We have a tendency to lose to ISU? Please repeat third grade math. Thank you.
 
I do not get the "careful what you wish for" crowd now.

We Have been trending down for over half a decade. We haven't been ranked since 2010. How long has it been since we beat a ranked team? We continually lose to ISU, and typically drop another game against a bottom feeder or MAC school.

We we average around 7 wins a year under KF. Do we really think we can't find someone to match that AND provide a more fun style of football to watch?

i am tired of losing the way we do. It's Groundhog Day over and over.

We Need a fresh start
You need to repeat 3rd grade math. You are a troll. Go back to ISU, or where ever you came from.
 
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