That's pretty much how this thread began. I think belonging to that particular list is certainly commendable but someone could put together another "list" that wouldn't look so attractive for Iowa.
Power 5 schools that have more wins then Iowa the last 5 yrs
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That's pretty much how this thread began. I think belonging to that particular list is certainly commendable but someone could put together another "list" that wouldn't look so attractive for Iowa.
deanvogs
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Iowa has never been relevant according to your definition.
ssckelley
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That's not cherry picking, you can accuse the OP of using arbitrary end points but a 5 year sample size is decent. I'm pretty sure if you flipped those records that you posted Iowa would be ranked much higher. Iowa has a bad record against schools ranked higher than them....well no shit, isn't that kind of the way it generally works out?
Motigerhawk
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We are absolutely relevant. One of the most iconic logos in ALL sports. Fry challenged an changed the Big 2 little 8 culture of the B1G. Iowa scares people to death when they come to Kinnick and know they will challenge at away games.
We are relevant, absolutely. We are just good. Not great.
Northside Hawk
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Just think of how many wins we would have in a different conference.
Five of the top ten teams, counting Iowa, feom the B1G.
eyekwah
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What is this "WE"? I don't see a Caddy listed on the Iowa football roster. You must have a mouse in your pocket.
Wisconsin did not have their best defense of the decade this year and they were ripe for getting beat. The hawks cut right through them when they opened up the passing game this year and you wonder what would have happened if the hawks had played that way the whole game.
So it it is 100% on the offense in every game and every loss is due solely to the offense. Got it.
What is the loss % for a team -1 in turnover margin in a game?? Then -2 and how many of our losses had those types of margins? Turnovers are on the individual athletes and the margin is also determined by what the defense can create on their side.
We have also seen Nate overthrow and under throw some balls. Is that BF fault? And should they have benched him? Just curious.
Motigerhawk
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I would say it is 100% on the offense. Their job is to move the ball down the field and score points. We dont do either of these very well.
Nate Stanley is a product of our system. He absolutely should have see n the bench several times in his carer. Maybe that would have sparked him to improve his accuracy. And the decision to ride him is o BF. I always thought the offense BF wants to run would fit Mansell perfectly. And to use an example, Alabama sat their starter during a national championship season. Our program likes to stick with their decisions and not adjust. We see that in games and in seasons.
This offense is stale and ineffective. Imagine an offense rated 50th with our defense. We would be playing in Indy Saturday and in most seasons.
InGoodCo
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If you thought this year was going to be our special year, you must have just basically decided that without looking at the schedule. Great and good teams lose games in football when you play other good and great teams. You only need to look at the NFL to understand that. Look at Bama - they faced top 25 teams, they lost. Look at Clemson, who doesn't want to be Clemson? Right? They've yet to play a top 25 team. Not one. They are going to the CFB playoffs. Iowa, meanwhile played 4 of them and 5 if you wanna count ISU who has hovered around it all season and lost 3 times and they aren't in consideration. They also lost those games by a combined 14 points and 2 of them were on the road. Is that Iowa's fault? It's not, it's the incredibly flawed system we have but at least as an Iowa fan who doesn't need ESPN to tell them what to think.... you should be able to decipher all that on your own. It can't be just about championships... but unfortunately it is.
ssckelley
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No, I didn't...I looked at the schedule like many others did and thought we would win 7 or 8 games. I didn't realize how good this defense was until we got a few games in, especially after that Michigan game. The struggles on offense considering we have a senior QB and especially the struggles with the offensive line were shocking to me. They looked like they were unprepared to face Big Ten defenses. The blocking schemes on the OL improved considerably through the season but where was this earlier in the year?
I get what you are saying, yeah good/great teams will lose games but the way they lost eats at me. Just flip one of those losses and I'm probably not complaining, heck we would probably be in the top 10 had they beaten one of Wisconsin, Michigan, or PSU.
deanvogs
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Is there a "good way" to lose a game? Do you think Minnesota is ok with the Iowa loss? Do you think Penn St. isn't grinding over it loss to Minnesota? How about the way Wisconsin lost to Illinois, do you think their fans are "cool with that" because they still won the West? I'm guessing they are instead saying that loss really is grinding on them because if they just beat Illinois, then the game this weekend vs OSU is to get to the playoffs.
I mean all losses suck, all close losses come down to a few key plays. This is how it has always been and always will be. Iowa's losses are no different at all from every other teams losses.
ssckelley
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No, there isn't a good way to lose a game. I think you are missing the point.
The Wisconsin loss did not bother me. Yeah there were some missed opportunities but I thought overall Iowa played good on both sides of the ball and gave themselves a chance to win, it didn't work out. I don't feel the same way about the losses to PSU or Michigan.
But I think I'm going raise the white flag on this one. You win! We should all be happy with the 9-3 season and shut up about it.
deanvogs
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I really only meant a loss is always going to suck more than anything really. No need to waive any white flags.
ssckelley
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Good, people are looking at me weird
Well, when you are close, and we are, the system that got you close doesn't need scraped, it just needs adjusted. When making adjustments, they usually come down to small ones. With that in mind, you could argue several things and do so correctly. What if Nate made a few more of those throws? What if the ol was a little better? What happens if we have one less turnover or got one more turn over in a game we lost? What happens if we had as many breaks as Nebraska had when we played them, when we played a game we lost? Just a couple of calls and we win.
That's why the coaches preach about doing the little things. Because when you are close, it is the little things.
That's why the coaches preach about doing the little things. Because when you are close, it is the little things.
WinOneThisCentury
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Personally, I wish the Ferentz's would look at what LSU did this year. They really were the equivalent of Iowa in the SEC...great defense and just enough to keep it close on offense. They went out and got a passing game coordinator from the Saints and well...records everywhere...division championship...and they are in the playoff even with a loss in the SEC Championship...they won't lose to Georgia.
I know, I know...Iowa doesn't have the skill position athletes that LSU does. I'm telling you right now...Smith, Smith-Marsette, Tracy, Rigaini and Martin are pretty damn good. Goodson will be better, LaPorta will be better, Beyer will be better.
It's the mindset offensively that has to change. The problem is that KF/BF know there are only 9 schools that have won more games than them the last five years...so their plan is working. It's the we are Iowa syndrome...we need to play this way to win. I'm saying you need to play defense the way you do...but open up your offense in the big games....and play to win the ENTIRE game. I'd rather see a three and out...and pressure on the defense...then watch us run an outside zone (that gets crushed), a pass to the flat (for three yards)...and constant pressure on 3rd and 8.
Take what the defense is giving you...and then KEEP TAKING IT. A perfect example was watching us play NW every year...we don't take shots down the field when their entire defense every play is within 7 yards of the line of scrimmage. We struggle...with Fant and Hockenson. Hell, that 2018 year...they could have run by their safeties every play. Then I watch Indiana or Ohio State play NW...and they are throwing downfield EVERY PLAY because that is where the weakness is. Every play. Sure it's high risk/high reward...but you only need to hit 6-7 plays a game to ensure victory and points.
I think the pieces are there...hell, the offensive passing game scheme is there...Brian just needs to be more aggressive from the opening kick to the end of the game.
I know, I know...Iowa doesn't have the skill position athletes that LSU does. I'm telling you right now...Smith, Smith-Marsette, Tracy, Rigaini and Martin are pretty damn good. Goodson will be better, LaPorta will be better, Beyer will be better.
It's the mindset offensively that has to change. The problem is that KF/BF know there are only 9 schools that have won more games than them the last five years...so their plan is working. It's the we are Iowa syndrome...we need to play this way to win. I'm saying you need to play defense the way you do...but open up your offense in the big games....and play to win the ENTIRE game. I'd rather see a three and out...and pressure on the defense...then watch us run an outside zone (that gets crushed), a pass to the flat (for three yards)...and constant pressure on 3rd and 8.
Take what the defense is giving you...and then KEEP TAKING IT. A perfect example was watching us play NW every year...we don't take shots down the field when their entire defense every play is within 7 yards of the line of scrimmage. We struggle...with Fant and Hockenson. Hell, that 2018 year...they could have run by their safeties every play. Then I watch Indiana or Ohio State play NW...and they are throwing downfield EVERY PLAY because that is where the weakness is. Every play. Sure it's high risk/high reward...but you only need to hit 6-7 plays a game to ensure victory and points.
I think the pieces are there...hell, the offensive passing game scheme is there...Brian just needs to be more aggressive from the opening kick to the end of the game.
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I agree, they should get a couple of outsiders perspective. As I said above, it is the little things, and that goes for the entire program.
But sometimes the little things are the easiest to over look.
Its funny, I feel the exact opposite. I'm okay with the PSU and Michigan losses. I think those teams have better players and coaches than Iowa. Tough to win in those situations.
Wisconsin loss still bothers me because it doesn't take a genius to see that Wisconsin's weakness was their DBs and their strength is their front 7.
Yet Iowa attacked their strength for 3 quarters and had 6 points to show for it and gassed their D out in the process going 3 and out. In the one quarter Iowa attacked their weakness, Iowa outscored Wisconsin 16-3. I feel Iowa had better players than Wisconsin but the guys getting paid let them down big time.
