SteveGarvey1
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That he's content with going 7-5 and making a lot of money/that he doesn't really care about winning (beyond 7 games).
Post 1 thing KF has taken heat for that he shouldn't have...
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A very interesting question. I agree on the icing the kicker that it is a 50-50 situation with no trending of working one way or the other. Was it Gary Anderson of the Vikings who had a near perfect field goal percentage but who missed a short one to lose an NFL championship game.
I also noticed that not many posters on this thread have come up with other examples that fit your question.
I am thinking of an off field item that Kirk gets some crap about and that is his ban/disapproval of players on social media. I am not sure what all KF's rules are on this matter but he is the boss and some bad things could come of players tweeting etc.
I really cant think of too many on field coaching decisions that I think KF has incorrectly taken the brunt of because I have been pretty hard on many of his on field decisions.
Northside Hawk
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He has taken a lot of heat for his clock management at the end of the 2005 Capitol One Bowl.
People who still criticize him need to get over it. They won the game on the most memorable play in Iowa football history.
If anything LSU should have taken the time out. They had the wrong defense on the field and one their intermediate backs thought they were in cover two. Wrong! They were in straight man which is why Holloway streaked down the field uncovered. Tate knew what was going on all along. LSU was confused all over the place.
People who still criticize him need to get over it. They won the game on the most memorable play in Iowa football history.
If anything LSU should have taken the time out. They had the wrong defense on the field and one their intermediate backs thought they were in cover two. Wrong! They were in straight man which is why Holloway streaked down the field uncovered. Tate knew what was going on all along. LSU was confused all over the place.
#1DieHardHawk
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Icing the kicker is a no-win situation for a coach, as mentioned above.
I would argue that you have to be situationally aware: Is the kicker young and/or experienced, or a cool veteran? You could argue that making a nervous kicker think about it could pay off, but, an experienced kicker probably would use the time to focus in.
Also, if you are going to do it, you do it right before the snap. You DON'T give the kicker a free practice attempt.
I would argue that you have to be situationally aware: Is the kicker young and/or experienced, or a cool veteran? You could argue that making a nervous kicker think about it could pay off, but, an experienced kicker probably would use the time to focus in.
Also, if you are going to do it, you do it right before the snap. You DON'T give the kicker a free practice attempt.
HawkGold
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Thread or tape flossing?
koralakers
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Dang, have SO MANY things to blame KF for over 20 years. Stinks this thread is about the opposite
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Rhabdo
karras
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I never understood the gum-chewing thing. Why does that bother people? It's kind of a sign of where we are as a society. When I think of first-world problems . . . top of the list is people annoyed by someone hundreds of miles away chewing gum. I learned at an early age that there are people actually offended by it. Like it was intentional targeted disrespect. I think that's when I suspected the direction the country was heading in.
People bothered by their freedoms being eradicated and the destruction of civil society? ZERO. People bothered by gum chewing? 300 million. My numbers may be a little off, but my point is valid. We ignore important things and worry about insignificant and/or imaginary things. Homo Sapiens: a failed evolutionary experiment. Yeah, I got that from gum chewing. You can now bask in the glow of my brilliance.
People bothered by their freedoms being eradicated and the destruction of civil society? ZERO. People bothered by gum chewing? 300 million. My numbers may be a little off, but my point is valid. We ignore important things and worry about insignificant and/or imaginary things. Homo Sapiens: a failed evolutionary experiment. Yeah, I got that from gum chewing. You can now bask in the glow of my brilliance.
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Fryowa
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Hate to break it to ya, but there are academic studies out there that show it has no effect and, as @HawkDrummer mentioned, a lot of the time it helps the kicker.
It’s loooooong been known that icing the kicker is a bullshit tactic that results in a 50/50 outcome.
So to your statement “it often knocks a kicker out of rhythm,” it’s been scientifically shown that it just as often results in a made FG. You’re going to have to support your statement with non-anecdotal facts if you want anyone to buy it that it works.
Just because HOF coaches have used it forever doesn’t mean squat. Mike Krzewseskyweskiewrzyski is the greatest basketball coach in the history of college ball and he’s used fouling at the end of games every single time Duke has been behind in a game. And it’s never, ever worked. Not once. Every single coach has done it for decades. And it never, ever works.
Northside Hawk
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It seldom works. Jim Valvano on NC State's incredible 1983 run through the ACC conference tournament and the NCAA'S was the exception. They were tied or behind in with less than a minute to go in eight of nine games and won every single one of them, all in an elimination format. Best example:. They were down six to Pepperdine in the opening round of the NCAA'S with fifty seconds to go. They kept fouling star player Dane Suttle who kept missing. NC State ended up disqualifying their own starting backcourt but somehow got the game to double overtime where they won. And that was just the beginning of an improbable run.
The NCAA'S took notice. The double bonus rule at ten team fouls would soon be implemented. And it made a big difference. It eliminated a lot of front end one and ones. And took a lot of pressure off the foul shooters.
iloveyoularrystation
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Wondered as I was reading if anybody would say this. Totally agree ddt.
Some of you might remember the "3 to make 2 free throws" rule in the NBA at least from the 1960's to about 1982. After 4 team fouls in any quarter a team making a foul would give the other team 3 shots to make 2. Slightly more of an edge than 2 free throws but the NBA finally thought it was a time waster. And if you can't shoot free throws at a decent clip then you start practicing.
I never understood the gum-chewing thing.
I agree. I can see people doing a little joking about the gum chewing. But I also cant understand some fans or people actually getting put off by it when you see it on TV. And the same thing goes with people making fun of KF taking notes during games. I would think that it is a good thing to take a few notes. We dont know what notes he is taking and they could be very intricate parts of the game we fans wouldnt even notice.
Northside Hawk
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Valvano was like a man possessed in that run. One unorthodox move after another, and almost all of them worked. Forget fouling when he was behind, he wasn't averse to fouling with the score tied. He got his net (won the title) in large part because he had an experienced backcourt that took care of the ball in addition to his spectacular bench coaching. In the pre shot clock era a good ballhandling backcourt could ice a win. Before the five second closely guarded rule they could really ice a win. Ronnie Lester in 1979 and 1980 was occasionally a one man backcourt in those late game situations. And man could he handle that ball!
hawkdrummer1
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Sometimes defenses do call a TO if things are getting away from them or if they're not lined up right. See it all the time.
His criticisms from fans about the Rhabdo incident actually happening are unjustified. What he should get criticized for was his response, or lack there of, once it happened. He was out on a recruiting trip and decided not to get his tail back to Iowa City and work the phones to call each of those kids’ parents. He decided to stay out on the recruiting trail until the uproar over it demanded he get back.
So, the Rhabdo happening? Not really his fault. His poor handling of it in the immediate aftermath was the problem. At least that is my opinion.
So, the Rhabdo happening? Not really his fault. His poor handling of it in the immediate aftermath was the problem. At least that is my opinion.
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Northside Hawk
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There was a famous game between Ohio State and Sparty about fifteen years ago where MSU dominated the first half, then had a chance to take a commanding lead going into the halftime locker room with a field goal. Two slight problems: they only had ten men on the field and they didn't call time out. Many of you know how this ended because it been on these boards before. OSU crashed through where the eleventh man was supposed to be, blocked the field goal attempt, and returned it for a touchdown. Sparty, who had a good chance of going in up 17-3, was now leading only by 14-10.
This is where it really gets good. John L Smith, Sparty's head coach, was PISSED. Sideline reporters grabbing coaches (and trying to keep up with them) as they go into the locker room are normally the most mundane things in sports. The coaches are usually not in the mood to say anything. Not this time. Among other choice statements Smith famously shouted "The players are playing their tails off, and the coaches are screwing it up"!
Smith would soon be replaced by Mark D'Antonio, who is still there today.
This is where it really gets good. John L Smith, Sparty's head coach, was PISSED. Sideline reporters grabbing coaches (and trying to keep up with them) as they go into the locker room are normally the most mundane things in sports. The coaches are usually not in the mood to say anything. Not this time. Among other choice statements Smith famously shouted "The players are playing their tails off, and the coaches are screwing it up"!
Smith would soon be replaced by Mark D'Antonio, who is still there today.
