Phil Steele Magazine - Iowa

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I browsed through Steele's magazine today. Phil is relatively high on Iowa compared to most others. While he only picks Iowa 5th in the Legends, like most, he has Iowa #49 in his power rankings (20 spots higher than Iowa State and 5 higher than Northern Illinois). Has the Hawks playing in the Heart of Dallas Bowl vs. Tulsa and calls for Iowa to improve in all 8 positional rankings (QB, RB, WR, OL, DL, LB, DB, ST).

His 9 sets of computer rankings were all over the place with Iowa. One had the Hawks going 2-10 and another 9-3. Seems like Phil is going right in the middle.
 
Phil must have extracted the content from every serious fb thread here, synthisized it and spit out those results. Or his "computer" is this forum.
 
I believe Iowa 'can' make a bowl game if the DL 'arrives early' and if the offense can just become 'average' as opposed to 'WTF'. As far as my faith in those things happening, I am not comfortable to the point where I would wager on it.
 
JD - Me thinks that you are too pessimistic.

QB - it is NOT possible for a QB to have a worse season than the one we experienced last year. Simply not possible.
RB - return productive backs
TE - return productive TE
WR - not possible to have worse WR than we had last year
OL - should be actually good helping the RB situation

There is simply no way that an offense can be worse than last year. As a matter of simple fact, if it looks anything close to last year, I would without question remove Ferentz as coach and make a case that it was a for cause termination.

As for the D

DL - can't be worse
LB - return all starters (granted they're not great, but they return)
DB - well.....we'll have to see.

This doesn't mean that there is serious talent on either side of the ball, just that in no way should we be as bad or worse than we were last year.

You have to figure/hope a couple bounces go Iowa's way this year. Anything less than 6-6 is a major disaster, but let's be honest, when you have the history and investment in your program that Iowa has, going 7-5,4-8, and 6-6 in a three year stretch is a major disaster.
 
BSpringsteen said:
JD - Me thinks that you are too pessimistic.

QB - it is NOT possible for a QB to have a worse season than the one we experienced last year. Simply not possible.
RB - return productive backs
TE - return productive TE
WR - not possible to have worse WR than we had last year
OL - should be actually good helping the RB situation

There is simply no way that an offense can be worse than last year. As a matter of simple fact, if it looks anything close to last year, I would without question remove Ferentz as coach and make a case that it was a for cause termination.

As for the D

DL - can't be worse
LB - return all starters (granted they're not great, but they return)
DB - well.....we'll have to see.

This doesn't mean that there is serious talent on either side of the ball, just that in no way should we be as bad or worse than we were last year.

You have to figure/hope a couple bounces go Iowa's way this year. Anything less than 6-6 is a major disaster, but let's be honest, when you have the history and investment in your program that Iowa has, going 7-5,4-8, and 6-6 in a three year stretch is a major disaster.
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Normally, I would agree wholeheartedly. But...

QB--It IS possible to get worse. That JVB was terrible-to-abysmal MAY just mean he was good enough to salvage "up" from "horrific".
RB--"return productive backs" is misleading. For just how long DO they actually "return"
TE--"return productive TE"--GD just wrote a blog asking what, exactly, is a TE?
WR--it IS possible to have "worse" KD was the lone bright spot with that long grab against MSU. If learning 3-yard outs is "tough"...wow
OL--no argument

The DL "could" be worse, but my guess is that it will get better. LBs will only be as good as the DL will "let" them, and DB may actually be the easiest thing to play at Iowa, i.e., "keep the guy in front of you, you won't be the first guy that 's ever gotten a PI here at Iowa".

I'm just hoping the faint traces of optimism I have seen are closer to correct than the myriad shouts of pessimism.
 
BSpringsteen said:
JD - Me thinks that you are too pessimistic.

QB - it is NOT possible for a QB to have a worse season than the one we experienced last year. Simply not possible.
RB - return productive backs
TE - return productive TE
WR - not possible to have worse WR than we had last year
OL - should be actually good helping the RB situation

There is simply no way that an offense can be worse than last year. As a matter of simple fact, if it looks anything close to last year, I would without question remove Ferentz as coach and make a case that it was a for cause termination.

As for the D

DL - can't be worse
LB - return all starters (granted they're not great, but they return)
DB - well.....we'll have to see.

This doesn't mean that there is serious talent on either side of the ball, just that in no way should we be as bad or worse than we were last year.

You have to figure/hope a couple bounces go Iowa's way this year. Anything less than 6-6 is a major disaster, but let's be honest, when you have the history and investment in your program that Iowa has, going 7-5,4-8, and 6-6 in a three year stretch is a major disaster.
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Count me in this boat as well. I joke about how much we are going to suck this year, but I believe that it would take great effort to be as bad as last year.
I quietly expect this year to be like 2008. Take a few games to figure things out, and then play very well down the stretch. (and have a Doak Walker winner, I just won't say who yet. ;))
 
theboat said:
Count me in this boat as well. I joke about how much we are going to suck this year, but I believe that it would take great effort to be as bad as last year.
I quietly expect this year to be like 2008. Take a few games to figure things out, and then play very well down the stretch. (and have a Doak Walker winner, I just won't say who yet. ;))
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I don't believe we have anyone on this team that would start on that team.
 
QB- Stanzi
RB- Greene
FB- Morse??
WR- Brodell
WR-Stross/DJK
TE- Myers
OL- Olsen
OL- Bruggeman
OL- Bulaga
OL- ??
OL- ??

DE- Clayborn
DT- King
DT- Kroul
DE- Ballard
LB- Edds
LB- Angerer
LB- Hunter??
CB- Spievey
CB- Fletcher??
FS- Greenwood
SS- Sash

K- Murray/ Mossbrucker
P- Donahue
 
BSpringsteen said:
I don't believe we have anyone on this team that would start on that team.
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We didn't really know what we had on that team going into 2008 either though. Hindsight is what you are looking at. Going into that year, we had King, Kroul, and Fletcher and a bunch of question marks on defense. We had no QB, we had a 300lb* furniture mover at RB. We had a young but talented OL. I think this team has guys that will surprise. Doesn't the 3 year cycle flip this year? ;)
 
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Section136 said:
QB- Stanzi (couldn't beat out Jake til game 4)
RB- Greene (weighed 300lbs* and hadn't carried anything but furniture in a year)
FB- Morse??
WR- Brodell (fast but hadn't done a whole lot prior to his senior year that year)
WR-Stross/DJK (unproven and young at that point)
TE- Myers (he was a fill in tight end for Moeaki at the time)
OL- Olsen
OL- Bruggeman
OL- Bulaga
OL- ??
OL- ??

DE- Clayborn (he was an unproven player)
DT- King
DT- Kroul
DE- Ballard (he was an unproven player)
LB- Edds
LB- Angerer (unproven)
LB- Hunter?? (unproven)
CB- Spievey (unproven)
CB- Fletcher??
FS- Greenwood (freshman)
SS- Sash (freshman)

K- Murray/ Mossbrucker
P- Donahue
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Hindsight it 20/20. My point is to look at the team as you would have in the summer of 2008. Obviously looking back it is a lot different.
 
theboat said:
Hindsight it 20/20. My point is to look at the team as you would have in the summer of 2008. Obviously looking back it is a lot different.
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I wasnt agreeing with anybody. All I was doing was listing the starters, which is what kmurp was wondering.
 
Although the statements about hindsight are correct (in principle), there are some positions where I think we can say 2008 was better. Defensive line would be one, I believe.
 
theboat said:
We didn't really know what we had on that team going into 2008 either though. Hindsight is what you are looking at. Going into that year, we had King, Kroul, and Fletcher and a bunch of question marks on defense. We had no QB, we had a 300lb* furniture mover at RB. We had a young but talented OL. I think this team has guys that will surprise. Doesn't the 3 year cycle flip this year? ;)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but at this time in 2008, we didn't even have to 300# furniture mover at RB. IIRC, he reported to fall camp. But at this time, we didn't know what we had at the RB position.

But to the discussion, I also feel like this could be a 2008-ish team. Who knew what to expect going into that year?
 
Eda said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but at this time in 2008, we didn't even have to 300# furniture mover at RB. IIRC, he reported to fall camp. But at this time, we didn't know what we had at the RB position.

But to the discussion, I also feel like this could be a 2008-ish team. Who knew what to expect going into that year?
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It might be wishful thinking on my part, but I guess we will see.

Or Greg Davis will F it up.
 
kmurp said:
Although the statements about hindsight are correct (in principle), there are some positions where I think we can say 2008 was better. Defensive line would be one, I believe.
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Agreed because of the K brothers, but we had no idea what we had in Clayborn and Ballard. Guys gotta step up big this year.
 
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