hawkdrummer1
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6 Best and Worst College Football Coaches' Contracts | Bleacher Report
Note the last line of the comment on KFz's contract.
Note the last line of the comment on KFz's contract.
Perhaps this is what Mandel was getting at...
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whammer33024
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curious, are you implying kirk is no longer trying or putting in any effort?
No, Mandel specifically pointed out that he was grading on recent on field performance only.
A few years ago when mandel had KF as his #3 top coach, KF was making big bucks then also.
Salary does not enter into his critieria.
And Bleacher Report once again proves how worthless they are....with this kind of crap analysis.
If KF wins 10 games this year, then they will be saying he is a bargain.
Suggesting that KF would tank the season to be fired so he can collect the buyout....wow...KF has more integrity in his little finger than these guys and all those coaches put together.
A few years ago when mandel had KF as his #3 top coach, KF was making big bucks then also.
Salary does not enter into his critieria.
And Bleacher Report once again proves how worthless they are....with this kind of crap analysis.
If KF wins 10 games this year, then they will be saying he is a bargain.
Suggesting that KF would tank the season to be fired so he can collect the buyout....wow...KF has more integrity in his little finger than these guys and all those coaches put together.
So why would Saben or Brown not have the same "lack of incentive" they make more then Ferentz? Yea maybe their deals aren't as fixed on the back end but I bet they'll be paid more between now and when that time comes if they are all still coaching. If anyone of you knows anything about being around coaches (i have hs coaches in my family) Then you know that these guys eat drink and sleep football. Complacency is the last thing that would happen with coaches. It's all they do. And when that does happen they quit. It's not a job you can half *** it cause the other assistants wouldn't stand for it. I don't think Ferentz is of the ilk to just rest on his laurels and just mail it in and cash checks. It would really go against his nature
NCHawker
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On a slightly different tangent....
Many AD's answer the question...."how much salary are you willing to pay to have a full stadium years on end" and "how much are you willing to pay for a solid respectible if not credible face of the program?" and at Iowa the number is large.
Many AD's answer the question...."how much salary are you willing to pay to have a full stadium years on end" and "how much are you willing to pay for a solid respectible if not credible face of the program?" and at Iowa the number is large.
Epic fail of a post. What do you mean Mandel only refers to on-field performance and not salary. Here's what he said in the article.
Kirk Ferentz, Iowa. The 2009 Orange Bowl proved an aberration in Ferentz's otherwise unimpressive recent tenure. Take away that one 11-2 season and the Hawkeyes are 47-41 since 2005 under their $3.6 million-per-year coach.
Read More: Nick Saban, Urban Meyer top list of best college football coaches - College Football - Stewart Mandel - SI.com
Here's what he said on twitter.
Stewart Mandel @slmandel 8 Jul Kirk Ferentz's inclusion on today's worst coaches list drawing by far the most backlash. Iowa fans apparently OK w/ $3.6M/yr to go 4-8
HawkeyeShane
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The only thing Mandel was getting at was being the blogging equivalent of a shock jock...and on that front, Mission: Accomplished.
NCHawker
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bingo
HawkeyeWalker
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ugh.....
less than 2 months away......from the distraction on actual football.
less than 2 months away......from the distraction on actual football.
hawkeyebob62
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HawkeyeMHA
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Saying KF is not trying to win, complacent, or not working hard is ridicurous. D1 college football coaches work 20 hours a day man. They are all fully vested in winning and extremely driven individuals. We have these claims/ posts reguraly and they are just dumb.
Show me where Mandel cited KF's salary as part of the reason that he considers him one of the 5 worst coaches in the country?
Mandel specifically indentified KF's record on the field(sans the Orange Bowl championship year with a school record 11 wins) the last 5 years as his reason for including KF.
Mandel is getting rightfully ripped by commentors from all over the nation on his KF inclusion,not just Iowa fans. KF was getting paid the same amount when Mandel included him as his #3 top coach in the country,so clearly, salary is not a factor one way or another in his criteria.
Are you kidding or are you actually serious? Mandel provides no specific criteria overall, but does talk about Ferentz's record and his salary in his one liner. Then tweets about last year's record and salary earned. Your reading comprehension must be terrible. Show me where Mandel doesn't mention salary.
PJHawk
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What you post is true.
But it cannot be underestimated that in spite of any pressure to win (or lack thereof) at the end of the day Kirk Ferentz knows before this contract expires he is going to make at least 17 (if fired) to 27 million dollars regardless of how many games he wins. Its human nature with having that kind of security within the framework of making that kind of money that someone's desire to succeed and the corresponding work required will be less.
True, unless he wants to move on or up in the ranks. What he does in the last 7 years of contract will affect his potential career opportunities.
PJHawk
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It doesn't take a big stretch of imagination to believe this is the last coaching job Ferentz will ever have - regardless if he's fired. If that is the case it only serves to leverage that framework of money and job security that Ferentz has.
DP5555
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I'm not sure you understand what JH is saying. Mandel specifically said his rankings are based off of recent on the field performance only, and then he goes on to site Kirk's salary multiple times. I think that's the point. If it's a top 5 list of overpaid coaches then that makes sense, but don't claim your ranking the worst 5 coaches based off of recent performance only and then continually use salary as one of your reasons for including one of them. Salary has nothing to do with performance. It means Mandel was using Kirk's salary as one of his reasons, but based on his own criteria he was trying to say that his salary doesn't have anything to do with it. Basically he was stretching to find excuses to explain himself.
If that's Mandels standard is by bang for your buck it don't work regardless in regards to Iowa. Iowa has to pay over pay to keep or have a coach like Ferentz. If they would have tried to pay him 2 mill a yr back when they first reworked his deal when Jacksonville was knocking I imagine he woulda left. We'll never get to know that hindsight but if Iowa would have called his bluff he prolly woulda been gone. (where would Iowa be now if that was the case would be a great thread starter) So Iowa is damned if they do "over" pay and damned if they don't. Iowa doesn't want to have a Chizek type of deal here and go through coaches like that. ISU was pretty lucky Rhoads fell in their lap. That Chizek deal could have set them back...Well more then they currently are anyway haha.
FreedComanche
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If Rhoads has a losing season this year and next, I think Jamie will fire him. Dumb, I know but Jamie thinks ISU can be a big 12 title contender.
FreedComanche
Hmm I dunno. Depends just how bad. If ISU wins like 2-4 games tops the next 2 yrs then yea I can see him pull that trigger. But if they are borderline 5-6 wins I don't see him getting fired. I could be wrong. Whats coach Mac up to these days anyway?
