Per Davis: Rudock's One Advantage Over CJ...

[ArvadaHawk]

Kirk choosing a QB over something that plays such a small part in the game (compared to ability to make plays) is par for the course. He also choses RBs based on ability to pick up the blitz and WRs based on ability to block down field. Now it's time for 10 responses on how important those parts of the game are.

Agreed. If there was typical personnel decisions, Willies would still be on the team because he would have started over KMM. I also think KMM' minutes were important to kfootball because he "needed" KMM to be the all-time receptions leader. Who is #2 now?

We can only imagine what could have been if only CJ, T. Smith, D. Willies and L. Daniels had been our starters, instead of KMM (possession receiver) MW, and JR. None of those 3 had more talent than the 3 players listed behind them in the 2-deeps.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Kirk choosing a QB over something that plays such a small part in the game (compared to ability to make plays) is par for the course. He also choses RBs based on ability to pick up the blitz and WRs based on ability to block down field. Now it's time for 10 responses on how important those parts of the game are.

In essence, he still coaches like an assistant coach...even though he's a Head Coach. Constant attention to minor details and the need for repetition, while often missing the big picture.

 

[PCHawk]

Opps... My phone put 2 thes in there. Typo.

I wouldn't call the offense in the 2nd half a complete 180. In the first half the ball was moving decently. Had DP caught that first long ball, we would've put up 14 points on the first 2 drives.

But I still feel strongly the defense making stops and getting off the field much quicker, rather than allowing long long TD drives, was the difference.

PC, I feel like you and I have have debated this topic before. Are you having a case of the déjà vu also?

Ha i don't remember but it's very possible. I capitalized THE to stress the word as in defense wasn't THE reason we won. You will never catch me correcting someone's typing ability. I don't throw stones.

 

[HomerChampless]

per the heading of this thread: loyalty is definitely NOT something Jake has over CJ... Accepting the 2nd string QB position is also definitely not something Jake has over CJ..

I'm so over Jake. Good riddance.

 

[PCHawk]

It seems like you're deemphasizing these other aspects of the game to help prove your point (that playmaking is the utmost importance). In fact, calling an audible is extremely important (reading the defense and getting the correct play call could be one of the most important aspects of his job). It's something that needs to be done on potentially every play.

I specifically made that comment at the end of my post to show that i wasn't deemphasizing those aspects. I said being a playmaker was far more important, and i stand by that, than everything else. It doesn't mean everything else isn't important too.

It seems like Kirk has his own was of analyzing talent and in my opinion it is warped. It's pretty clear that he values things like blocking and reading defense more than he values playmaking, which is one thing, but it also seems like he will chose a player that is slightly better at the small things over a guy who is way better at playmaking. It's not like CJ sucked at reading defenses. Even if he did, it can be overcome by playmaking, which it was.

 

[PCHawk]

In essence, he still coaches like an assistant coach...even though he's a Head Coach. Constant attention to minor details and the need for repetition, while often missing the big picture.

Almost every complaint you can make about Kirk comes back to him belonging as a position coach instead of a head coach. He just doesn't have the mind for that job.

 

[PCHawk]

Agreed. If there was typical personnel decisions, Willies would still be on the team because he would have started over KMM. I also think KMM' minutes were important to kfootball because he "needed" KMM to be the all-time receptions leader. Who is #2 now?

We can only imagine what could have been if only CJ, T. Smith, D. Willies and L. Daniels had been our starters, instead of KMM (possession receiver) MW, and JR. None of those 3 had more talent than the 3 players listed behind them in the 2-deeps.

You forgot Powell too. We could have had a really good offense with the right coach leading those players.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Almost every complaint you can make about Kirk comes back to him belonging as a position coach instead of a head coach. He just doesn't have the mind for that job.

I agree. Great at developing "average" players into studs...and getting guys to the NFL. He deserves every bit of praise he gets for that...one of the best in the biz.

But, like many who excel and get promoted up the ladder... he often looks like he's one rung above his optimal performance zone.

 

[uihawk82]

So do the people who call the Iowa games count or qualify? or is it to complicated for them too? Fans not the only one saying this stuff CP..

I would love to really know what Ed Podolak thinks of this offense under KF/GD (and maybe KF's offense in general). But especially the offense since 2012.

Ed P. as you know came in under Jerry Burns IIRC who was a good offensive mind, Ray Nagle had good offense, and of course Ed P. played for a Hall of Fame coach Hank Stram who really knew offense.

My sense in listening to Ed P. the last few years during games and during Soundoff is he really bites his tongue not to really criticize the playcalling and maybe personnel usage but I think he has a lot of criticisms. As an example, I have heard Ed P. call for some types of counter play action many times and we just dont see it called.

So this argument about dumb, delusional fans in the stands criticizing KF and GD falls on somewhat deaf ears to me. I think really knowledgable fans of the hawks can read and see some of the 'poor' aspects of this offense and even under KOK. I agreee that we fans also dont know the intricate lingo and specific knowledge to be a position coach.

 

[PCHawk]

I agree. Great at developing "average" players into studs...and getting guys to the NFL. He deserves every bit of praise he gets for that...one of the best in the biz.

But, like many who excel and get promoted up the ladder... he often looks like he's one rung above his optimal performance zone.

It is the positions coach's job to get individuals to reach their full potential. It's the head coaches job to get individuals to play together on game day and put together a game plan to get a win. Not surprising where our problems are.

 

[iowalaw]

Kurts clock management blunders, constantly being out coached by lesser teams, his lack of the ability close on recruits, and his propensity to play favorites with personnel decisions lead me to think this is correct. He is a position coach who fell into a very very fortunate situation at Iowa and profited immensely. He would not make it one year in the NFL.

Almost every complaint you can make about Kirk comes back to him belonging as a position coach instead of a head coach. He just doesn't have the mind for that job.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

You forgot Powell too. We could have had a really good offense with the right coach leading those players.

You're right, I did. Wow...what could have been. T. Smith, Willies, Powell and LD along with CJ. Then throw in Hillyer and Canzeri and then our TE's. If your 4th & 5th receivers are KMM and Hillyer...wow. Instead we had KMM and Vandeburg and 1 & 3.

We could have been explosive as hell, but NnnnnnnnnnOOOOOOOOOO, we went with clock (mis)management and our punting game. It's all about field position, you know.

 

[Benddontbreak]

What does is say about your offense if your QB is constantly changing plays at the LOS?

 

[RocknRollface]

Actually the the difference in the Pitt game was the defense finally being able to make some run stops and forcing Pitt's young QB to make plays. As for Minny... CJB did play and the result was much the same of JR. Not good. I'd say the Maryland game was a combo of the players getting killed on the edge, fumbles when we started to get momentum, and the coaches completely abandoning the run in the 4th quarter.

But you go ahead and keep thinking that Sunshine would've made all the difference last year.

No one is saying any one thing would have made all the difference when there were so many things wrong. Just that that one thing was pretty obvious.

I think most agree the only thing that can make a significant difference is a change in the head coach.

 

[RocknRollface]

Agreed. Criticizing the results of the scheme does not require an intricate knowledge of what is happening with all 22 players running around on the field. Criticizing general aspects of the scheme (predictability, inability to generate big plays) does not require an intricate knowledge (but sometimes it comes from those with intricate knowledge).

Knowing how to FIX the scheme requires intricate knowledge, and those that think the coaches are morons who are missing obvious fixes that can be seen from the stands irritate me, personally. Thinking another staff can fix the problems is a perfectly reasonable stance. Joe Sixpack thinking he knows the simple answer to win more games is delusional.

Putting the better QB in was a pretty obvious one.

Let's not forget Stanzi v Christiansen and how long that took.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

It is the positions coach's job to get individuals to reach their full potential. It's the head coaches job to get individuals to play together on game day and put together a game plan to get a win. Not surprising where our problems are.

Iowalaw: Kurts clock management blunders, constantly being out coached by lesser teams, his lack of the ability close on recruits, and his propensity to play favorites with personnel decisions lead me to think this is correct. He is a position coach who fell into a very very fortunate situation at Iowa and profited immensely. He would not make it one year in the NFL.

Spot on, both of you guys.

I would also suggest that Norm Parker filled many of the HC roles, inspiring players, mentoring and getting them ready for game day. KFz has always looked like a deer in the headlights on the game day sideline.

 

[Knight78]

I would love to really know what Ed Podolak thinks of this offense under KF/GD (and maybe KF's offense in general). But especially the offense since 2012.

Ed P. as you know came in under Jerry Burns IIRC who was a good offensive mind, Ray Nagle had good offense, and of course Ed P. played for a Hall of Fame coach Hank Stram who really knew offense.

My sense in listening to Ed P. the last few years during games and during Soundoff is he really bites his tongue not to really criticize the playcalling and maybe personnel usage but I think he has a lot of criticisms. As an example, I have heard Ed P. call for some types of counter play action many times and we just dont see it called.

So this argument about dumb, delusional fans in the stands criticizing KF and GD falls on somewhat deaf ears to me. I think really knowledgable fans of the hawks can read and see some of the 'poor' aspects of this offense and even under KOK. I agreee that we fans also dont know the intricate lingo and specific knowledge to be a position coach.

Yeah, Ed played under some great offensive minds... for that era. Many here (I believe you are included in this group) claim that the game has passed Kirk by. I don't necessarily disagree with that. Yet someone who is older than Kirk and a broadcaster (as opposed to actually being a coach) would be up on the latest/greatest offensive strategies? Someone who doesn't attend practices should be making the personnel playing time decisions?

 

[BigD]

They like running behind their best lineman(usually the LT). I have more an issue when they run it with backs that aren't suited for a one cutback scheme. Watching Coker/Wiesman plodding along was frustrating to watch.

It did occasionally work when Fred Russell ran behind Gallery he was able to find a lane and scoot 4 or 5 yards.

Lol, plus the defense couldn't find him until it was too late.

 

[iowalaw]

Am I the only one who would lovvvvvvvvve to see Rudock and his brilliant audible skills and his organic chemistry be the backup at Michigan to a freshmen?