Penn St Recruits

BlackHawk said:
I guess I am just exceptionally classy, what can I say? I would honestly be a little disappointed in our staff if we initiated contact with the PSU commits.
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Then you don't understand recruiting very well. There is more than likely going to be a new coaching staff, and things will be interesting for a few years. Kids will decommit because of all the stuff is going on and the coaching uncertainty. If you don't make a call to say hey we still have interest in you, then they will go to someone who has said that. If you don't call they don't know you have any interest in them anymore.
 
hawkfarmer said:
Then you don't understand recruiting very well. There is more than likely going to be a new coaching staff, and things will be interesting for a few years. Kids will decommit because of all the stuff is going on and the coaching uncertainty. If you don't make a call to say hey we still have interest in you, then they will go to someone who has said that. If you don't call they don't know you have any interest in them anymore.
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Simply because you do not approve of something does not mean that you don't understand it.

If they have decommitted, I have no problem with making the first contact. If they reach out to our staff, I have no problem with our staff talking to them.

However, the idea of our staff seeing this tragedy unfold and instantly dialing up PSU commits makes my skin crawl.

I just don't view this tragedy as an opportunity.
 
Ofcourse we should contact them and let them know they still have an offer. With all the disturbing info coming out of the investigation why wouldn't we try to recruit some of the kids that are decommiting? Kids are able to decommit and transfer upon coaching changes and that appears to be coming as well. These kids commited before any of this surfaced they have the right to go somewhere else if they choose, why not let them know they are still welcome and have an offer from us?
 
BlackHawk said:
Simply because you do not approve of something does not mean that you don't understand it.

If they have decommitted, I have no problem with making the first contact. If they reach out to our staff, I have no problem with our staff talking to them.

However, the idea of our staff seeing this tragedy unfold and instantly dialing up PSU commits makes my skin crawl.

I just don't view this tragedy as an opportunity.
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Big difference from telling them you have an offer and bashing PSU for what happened. Once committed these kids are still contacted by other coaches. It is just what happens, mostly because kids still want the attention and aren't 100% sure. So you keep in contact.
 
Wilkerson looks like exactly what this team needs. Big, quick DE.

You have to make the call, especially with Coker being from DeMatha.
 
if you think that the other coaches wouldn't use this against Iowa or any other school, you truly are the most dense person in the world, in the world of College FB recruiting, you are dealing with the most cut throat type of recruiting, coaches can and do use whatever against a school to get recruits, i can almost guantee they used the Rhabdo against Iowa, with recruiting there is no such thing as morality
 
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Dragonhawk said:
if you think that the other coaches wouldn't use this against Iowa or any other school, you truly are the most dense person in the world, in the world of College FB recruiting, you are dealing with the most cut throat type of recruiting, coaches cannd do use whatever material to get recruits, also they used the Rhabdo against Iowa
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Again, simply because you do not approve of something does not mean that you don't understand it.
 
LoewDog said:
Wilkerson looks like exactly what this team needs. Big, quick DE.

You have to make the call, especially with Coker being from DeMatha.
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This is exactly what I said.

BUT, a bigger connection is Darian Cooper.. who Wilkerson undoubtedly played on the line with.

Him and Schutt should be definite "calls" for the staff.
 
Dragonhawk said:
if you think that the other coaches wouldn't use this against Iowa or any other school, you truly are the most dense person in the world, in the world of College FB recruiting, you are dealing with the most cut throat type of recruiting, coaches can and do use whatever against a school to get recruits, i can almost guantee they used the Rhabdo against Iowa, with recruiting there is no such thing as morality
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Wow--really? Nice edit.

In what other areas of life are there "no such thing as morality"?
 
Dragonhawk said:
then why the high horse morality, mentality, there is no such thing in recruiting
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OK--I think you are trying to say that their is no "morality" in recruiting and not that there is no "mentality" in recruiting. If that is the case, I think you are in the minority in that belief.

Devil's advocate--All of these are OK with you?

  • Paying players
  • Claiming that an entire coaching staff will be fired for a rhabdo incident
  • Declaring another coach racist, when he is not
  • Ignoring school admission requirements
  • Ignoring eligibility requirements
  • Paying co-eds to sleep with players on recruiting trips
  • Threatening the lives of a recruit's family members
No morality? I believe most folks would argue that at least one, if not more, of the foregoing is immoral in the recruiting world.
 
the 1st; players are paid
2nd; it was used as a possibility, and you are clueless if you think it wasn't
3rd; is it used by coaches, probably
4th; just look at SEC schools, and look back at Ohio St
5th; see Colorado, not that long ago
6th; you are reaching with that one
but i will give you another one, ND used to use the Cathilic Churh to threaten player with Ex-Cuminication if they didn't go there, and unless you a devote catholic you wouldn't understand, now that is worse than any death threat years ago, talk about not having morals,

anything else you want to come up with, sorry the morality kick doesn't mean a thing in recruiting, to coin a phrase "ITS A DOG EAT DOG WORLD OUT THERE" your feelings and my feelings about morality has no place in the morality of how and what a college coach thinks and does in recruiting, its their necks that are the chopping block if they do not succeed, it doesn't matter how others feel, Coaches will lie,cheat and whatever works to get a recruit, as long as they get away with it
 
Dragonhawk said:
the 1st; players are paid
2nd; it was used as a possibility, and you are clueless if you think it wasn't
3rd; is it used by coaches, probably
4th; just look at SEC schools, and look back at Ohio St
5th; see Colorado, not that long ago
6th; you are reaching with that one
but i will give you another one, ND used to use the Cathilic Churh to threaten player with Ex-Cuminication if they didn't go there, and unless you a devote catholic you wouldn't understand, now that is worse than any death threat years ago, talk about not having morals,

anything else you want to come up with, sorry the morality kick doesn't mean a thing in recruiting, to coin a phrase "ITS A DOG EAT DOG WORLD OUT THERE" your feelings and my feelings about morality has no place in the morality of how and what a college coach thinks and does in recruiting, its their necks that are the chopping block if they do not succeed, it doesn't matter how others feel, Coaches will lie,cheat and whatever works to get a recruit, as long as they get away with it
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The question was not if these things occur. The question is are you okay with them? That is, if Iowa's staff did these things, would you continue to support the staff?
 
my thought and feeling don't count, do i like it no; but it is not in my power to correct, as for the 2nd on the Rhabo, Dantonio did tell recruits that the coaching staff at Iowa was going to fired, that came out in a interview with Cooper after he signed with Iowa
 
Dragonhawk said:
the 1st; players are paid
2nd; it was used as a possibility, and you are clueless if you think it wasn't
3rd; is it used by coaches, probably
4th; just look at SEC schools, and look back at Ohio St
5th; see Colorado, not that long ago
6th; you are reaching with that one
but i will give you another one, ND used to use the Cathilic Churh to threaten player with Ex-Cuminication if they didn't go there, and unless you a devote catholic you wouldn't understand, now that is worse than any death threat years ago, talk about not having morals,

anything else you want to come up with, sorry the morality kick doesn't mean a thing in recruiting, to coin a phrase "ITS A DOG EAT DOG WORLD OUT THERE" your feelings and my feelings about morality has no place in the morality of how and what a college coach thinks and does in recruiting, its their necks that are the chopping block if they do not succeed, it doesn't matter how others feel, Coaches will lie,cheat and whatever works to get a recruit, as long as they get away with it
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What in the world are you talking about? You missed the whole point of my post.
 
i did answer your question, no i would not like it if the coaches lied, ignored Academic requirements, paid or any other illegal activity, but going after kids that are committed elsewhere, i don't care
 
BlackHawk said:
You are not, then, exceptionally classy.

(1) They already know there are other options.

(2) Measuring yourself by somebody else's standards ("You know other schools will do it.") is not always the best course of action.
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I try not to personally insult anyone on here, so thanks alot for that. Is it classy to declare your own high classiness? We are talking recruiting here. It's not dirty to simply maintain contact with kids. I didn't say to give them cars so they will change their minds.
 
If there is a player that Iowa was pursing and still could use then I see nothing wrong with a recruiter making a phone call to see if they are still 100% committed to Penn State.

The call would go something like this.

"We still have a couple of scholarships available and a need at your position to fill next season. After what has happened we thought it would be a good idea to check with you to see if you were still 100% committed to Penn State. If so, great but if not can we talk?"

Nothing wrong with doing that, you're not putting a full court press on the kid just inquiring to make sure they were still 100% on their decision. If Iowa is not making the phone call other schools are. I would have the players here that can help Iowa win football games versus feeling good about the staff simply taking the high road. I have never seen the trophy that gets awarded to the school that has the most ethical recruiting practices.
 
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