Over Paid Coaches

conboy

New Member
They have Ferentz at number 2 on the list behind Lane Kiffin. I guess I view this a little different, 3.8 million salary for a coach who brings in 30 million plus a year to his University is worth it.

What are people's expectations of Ferentz? Is he earning his salary?

I for one believe he's doing a wonderful job and I wouldn't want anyone else as our head football coach.

Top 5 Overpaid and Top 5 Underpaid Coaches in College Football Today | Bleacher Report


Not sure how to link.
 


I firmly believe that if we did not have Ferentz we would not be where we are at. Iowa is not an easy place to recruit and consistently win. He has done that pretty consistently. If the school is making money while he is at the helm, I have no issues paying him that much. Knowing you have potential to compete in the B10 every year is something few schools can say, and I'm happy to be one of them.
 




I firmly believe that if we did not have Ferentz we would not be where we are at. Iowa is not an easy place to recruit and consistently win. He has done that pretty consistently. If the school is making money while he is at the helm, I have no issues paying him that much. Knowing you have potential to compete in the B10 every year is something few schools can say, and I'm happy to be one of them.

I completely agree with this. Although it's pretty easy to see why people would peg him as being overpaid.
 


its all about how you determine it. to those outside of the program, they see kirk's huge salary and average results and you can definitely make that argument. but kirk brings way more to this program and state than those people realize and you can justify his pay.

i agree with you though, there's no one else i'd rather have sitting in the coach's office than the good captain
 


They have Ferentz at number 2 on the list behind Lane Kiffin. I guess I view this a little different, 3.8 million salary for a coach who brings in 30 million plus a year to his University is worth it.

What are people's expectations of Ferentz? Is he earning his salary?

I for one believe he's doing a wonderful job and I wouldn't want anyone else as our head football coach.

Top 5 Overpaid and Top 5 Underpaid Coaches in College Football Today | Bleacher Report


Not sure how to link.

Ferentz is earning National Championship dough. Iowa hasn't been in a Nat'l Championship. Yes, Ferentz is overpaid based solely on the end results.

The Iowa Football program has been a money maker for the past 40 yrs. We've had very little turmoil within the program and have had what most would consider success. Based on that then Ferentz is making what he deserves.

9+ wins each season should guarantee Ferentz a coaching job at Iowa. If we have another 06 and 07 six win season back to back then I think we will have a new coach the following season.

Top pay should garner BCS bowls and conference titles. Ferentz is a mixed bag of success. Yes we've been successful the majority of time he's been at Iowa but also have years that you just scratch your head and say wtf? His staff still can't develop a QB and our offense is very weak compared to the top national teams. If you can't tell, I dislike KOK and think he is a scrub that is riding the coattails of the Capt.

I firmly believe that if we brought in a top notch OC that we would be competing for titles not just BCS berths.
 
Last edited:


I completely agree with this. Although it's pretty easy to see why people would peg him as being overpaid.

Schools like Florida & Oklahoma, who pay coaches a lot and get NC's, sure. I can see where they are coming from. But schools like ISU, Indiana, Minny.... I think any of those schools would not mind paying a coach Ferentz-type salary if they were winning more often.
 


Ferentz is earning National Championship dough. Iowa hasn't been in a Nat'l Championship. Yes, Ferentz is overpaid based solely on the end results.

The Iowa Football program has been a money maker for the past 40 yrs. We've had very little turmoil within the program and have had what most would consider success. Based on that then Ferentz is making what he deserves.

9+ wins each season should guarantee Ferentz a coaching job at Iowa. If we have another 06 and 07 six win season back to back then I think we will have a new coach the following season.

Top pay should garner BCS bowls and conference titles. Ferentz is a mixed bag of success. Yes we've been successful the majority of time he's been at Iowa but also have years that you just scratch your head and say wtf? His staff still can't develop a QB and our offense is very weak compared to the top national teams. If you can't tell, I dislike KOK and think he is a scrub that is riding the coattails of the Capt.

We better have a A+ coach knocking on the door if we're doing that. *cough* Bob Stoops *Cough*
 


It's all a matter of perspective, the way I see it. One argument could be that for what he is being paid, 1 BCS win in 12 years makes Ferentz way overpaid.

On the other hand, as others have pointed out, Iowa is not the easiest place in the world to win and recruit, and how many coaches would have more success than KF has had here? Just look at Steve Spurrier.. He dominated at Florida and is having far less success at S. Carolina.. Again, a tougher place to recruit and win.

Ferentz has a couple of Big Ten titles, two BCS appearances (1 win) and a number of January Bowl victories, and a couple other non-January bowl wins. We are pretty consistently near the Top of the Big Ten standings.

There has been very little scandal all things considered, and KF represents the university well IMO. I'd say he's earning his salary.
 


I firmly believe that if we brought in a top notch OC that we would be competing for titles not just BCS berths.

+1 - I've always thought that our offense has been our weakness over the years. The year we had a really good offense (2002) we were a Top 5 team in the country. We're already a hard team to beat, but if we could consistently have a good offense to go with the defense we have most years, we would be almost unstoppable.

I'm not sure how much of that is KOK (not that I think he is a good OC) or KF's philosophy dictating KOK's playcalling.. Would a new OC make us any less conservative? KF is a conservative coach by nature, or so it seems.

OR - is it a talent issue on the offensive side of the ball? In '02, we were loaded on offense at pretty much every position. Not sure we've had that much talent since then..

In the end, I suppose it's several factors limiting our offense.
 
Last edited:


They have Ferentz at number 2 on the list behind Lane Kiffin. I guess I view this a little different, 3.8 million salary for a coach who brings in 30 million plus a year to his University is worth it.

What are people's expectations of Ferentz? Is he earning his salary?

I for one believe he's doing a wonderful job and I wouldn't want anyone else as our head football coach.

Top 5 Overpaid and Top 5 Underpaid Coaches in College Football Today | Bleacher Report


Not sure how to link.

Does KF make a lot of money of course, but he also brings in 30 million plus so he is a CEO, and if Iowa did not pay him this amount we would become a transition school coaching always looking for the next step instead of building something of value which KF has done.
 


Kirk brings in 30 million a year for his University and packs in Kinnick, what more could you ask from a coach?! Win games, keep us in NCAA compliance and recruit Iowa well and you will have the fan support. He's won important games and bowl games, not a lot of coaches out there have his resume.

I for one hope the University does whatever it needs to keep Kirk around, I am proud of the direction he has taken the team. His salary is worth every penny to me and that is why I will continue to be a season ticket holder.
 


I agree with the general comments that Kirk is paid appropriately given the difficulties of winning consistently at Iowa.

In reading the article, I was struck by the fact that if Iowa traded KOK for Paul Chryst of Wisconsin, Ferentz and Bielema would be on opposite ends of the success spectrum over the past few years. The special teams unit that Bielema is directly responsible for coaching is always poor for UW, while their offense has taken off over the past few seasons. Once Chryst finally gets a major head coaching offer and leaves, UW will be in trouble offensively. I live in Madison, so I'm always impressed by the results UW gets with mediocre qbs and how they manage to add just enough variety to the play calling to be more effective offensively than Iowa while running a very similar offensive scheme.
 


Kirk brings in 30 million a year for his University and packs in Kinnick, what more could you ask from a coach?! Win games, keep us in NCAA compliance and recruit Iowa well and you will have the fan support. He's won important games and bowl games, not a lot of coaches out there have his resume.

I for one hope the University does whatever it needs to keep Kirk around, I am proud of the direction he has taken the team. His salary is worth every penny to me and that is why I will continue to be a season ticket holder.

Kirk Ferentz does not pack Kinnick, the Iowa Football team packs Kinnick. This is aided by the loyalty and excitement of the fan base coupled with the fact that Iowa does not have a professional football team to share the spotlight with. ISU sucks so fans span the state and are not located solely in Eastern Iowa.

The average attendance at Kinnick in 1950 was 44,584. The average attendance (lowest point under Kirk) was 61,123 with the high mark being in 2004 (i couldn't find any more recent stats than 2004). The seating capacity at Kinnick has changed over the past 60 years and was expanded again in 1990 to 70,397.

Capacity in 1956 was 53,000.
In 1983 it was expanded to 70,397.
In 1990 it was expanded to 70,585.

Since 1975 the average attendance has been at least 53,000 (100% capacity) and was 60,00+ after the first renovations in the early 80s going to today.

My point is that Kirk Ferentz doesn't pack the seats. The seats would fill up regardless of the coach. I really like Ferentz but we could be better.
 


Kirk Ferentz does not pack Kinnick, the Iowa Football team packs Kinnick. This is aided by the loyalty and excitement of the fan base coupled with the fact that Iowa does not have a professional football team to share the spotlight with. ISU sucks so fans span the state and are not located solely in Eastern Iowa.
The average attendance at Kinnick in 1950 was 44,584. The average attendance (lowest point under Kirk) was 61,123 with the high mark being in 2004 (i couldn't find any more recent stats than 2004). The seating capacity at Kinnick has changed over the past 60 years and was expanded again in 1990 to 70,397.

Capacity in 1956 was 53,000.
In 1983 it was expanded to 70,397.
In 1990 it was expanded to 70,585.

Since 1975 the average attendance has been at least 53,000 (100% capacity) and was 60,00+ after the first renovations in the early 80s going to today.

My point is that Kirk Ferentz doesn't pack the seats. The seats would fill up regardless of the coach. I really like Ferentz but we could be better.[/QUOTE]

This type of thinking scares me because it's how a lot of Iowa basketball fans felt about Tom Davis right before he left. "Well, Sweet 16's are nice, but we could be better". Sure, we could be better in football, but what is the likelihood that we can become a national power year in and year out? I love Iowa, but it's highly unlikely. Michigan and Ohio State are the only national powers above the Mason-Dixie line.

I don't want Iowa to make the same mistake with Ferentz that they did with Mr. Davis. I am perfectly happy having solid 8-10 win seasons most of the time with the occasional great year where we go to a BCS game. I don't expect Iowa to compete for national championships year in and year out, and the day that a lot of fans expect this is the day Iowa football is in for a world of hurt.
 


KF will be the coach at Iowa for as long as he wishes to be. He has it made in Iowa City. If he would jump ship to a Penn State or Ohio State for a comparable salary to what Iowa pays him it be much harder to have down years like 2006 and 2007 and be retained as the coach. He can have seasons like that here and still keep his job because if Iowa was to make the mistake of firing him the cost of buying out his contact would inhibit Iowa's ability to hire another coach. So win or lose KF will be our coach till he decides otherwise.
 


I firmly believe that if we did not have Ferentz we would not be where we are at. Iowa is not an easy place to recruit and consistently win. He has done that pretty consistently. If the school is making money while he is at the helm, I have no issues paying him that much. Knowing you have potential to compete in the B10 every year is something few schools can say, and I'm happy to be one of them.

This is a great point, excellent analysis. From the outside looking in, he does look to be overpaid for the results he has, but as you have pointed out, the program is making a lot of money, so it is probably money well spent.

In looking over the list, it seems that Mack Brown and Skippy Rick “Neuweasel” were left off of the most overpaid list. I still have no idea how Skippy has a job, anywhere. Mack, well, no one manages to do less with more. He is in the best recruiting grounds, warm weather, huge, huge budget, great coeds, in a very nice city, yet he has managed 2 conference titles and 1 MNC at his current school.
 
Last edited:


This is a great point, excellent analysis. From the outside looking in, he does look to be overpaid for the results he has, but as you have pointed out, the program is making a lot of money, so it is probably money well spent.

In looking over the list, it seems that Mack Brown and Skippy Rick “Neuweaselâ€￾ were left off of the most overpaid list. I still have no idea how Skippy has a job, anywhere. Mack, well, no one manages to do less with more. He is in the best recruiting grounds, warm weather, huge, huge budget, great coeds, in a very nice city, yet he has managed 2 conference titles and 1 MNC at his current school.

I think Mack Brown is not only a bad coach, but a terrible coach.
 


Kirk Ferentz does not pack Kinnick, the Iowa Football team packs Kinnick. This is aided by the loyalty and excitement of the fan base coupled with the fact that Iowa does not have a professional football team to share the spotlight with. ISU sucks so fans span the state and are not located solely in Eastern Iowa.
The average attendance at Kinnick in 1950 was 44,584. The average attendance (lowest point under Kirk) was 61,123 with the high mark being in 2004 (i couldn't find any more recent stats than 2004). The seating capacity at Kinnick has changed over the past 60 years and was expanded again in 1990 to 70,397.

Capacity in 1956 was 53,000.
In 1983 it was expanded to 70,397.
In 1990 it was expanded to 70,585.

Since 1975 the average attendance has been at least 53,000 (100% capacity) and was 60,00+ after the first renovations in the early 80s going to today.

My point is that Kirk Ferentz doesn't pack the seats. The seats would fill up regardless of the coach. I really like Ferentz but we could be better.[/QUOTE]

This type of thinking scares me because it's how a lot of Iowa basketball fans felt about Tom Davis right before he left. "Well, Sweet 16's are nice, but we could be better". Sure, we could be better in football, but what is the likelihood that we can become a national power year in and year out? I love Iowa, but it's highly unlikely. Michigan and Ohio State are the only national powers above the Mason-Dixie line.

I don't want Iowa to make the same mistake with Ferentz that they did with Mr. Davis. I am perfectly happy having solid 8-10 win seasons most of the time with the occasional great year where we go to a BCS game. I don't expect Iowa to compete for national championships year in and year out, and the day that a lot of fans expect this is the day Iowa football is in for a world of hurt.

In all honesty KF isn't being paid to win MNC's. This isn't at a traditional power or a school that's in the midst of a super-rich recruiting area(eg. TCU in Dallas) that's playing in a weak conference. He's being paid 3.8 million because he overachieves at a place that has a significant recruiting disadvantage over most of his peers, and because he's a great representative of the university. Mike Leach, another overachieving coach, put up similar winning percentages had a rising salary and embarrassed the university. The value he brings to the University isn't simply in revenue consider the revenue that Iowa is producing.

When "underpaid" according to the Bleacher Report article by a Alabama fan(really?The "Bleacher Report" has only slightly more credibility than a teen magazine does on college football, and the Alabama fan author of the article put(*feigning shock*)Saban as 5th underpaid coach making over 5.2 million a year. In terms of the football budget and the football revenue brought in the difference between paying a "under paid" coach 2.5 million and "over paid" Ferentz is 3.8 is negligible. We're talking about a small fraction of the football program's budget and Iowa finished 4th in the Big Ten in 2010(15th in country) behind only guess who; OSU, UM, and PSU in football revenue. All three top 15 traditional powers with three of the five biggest stadiums in college football, mammoth national fan followings, and state populations between three and four times the size of Iowa's. Iowa, has the smallest population of any school in the conference and unlike Wisconsin and Minnesota it has another BCS conference school in-state. Iowa has a historic winning percentage of approx. 53%(that's including Fry and Ferentz's reigns over the past 40 years plus). What is the great selling point of Iowa over Purdue, UW, MSU, and illinois? Illinois, a school that is they had a good coach, that they could keep would like have top 25 recruiting classes annually. What impact would that have on their 25 million dollars in football revenue? Opposed to Iowa's current 55 million. You think they don't pray to bring in some coach they get at a bargain coach that's so successful that they pay him millions more to keep him and inspite of comparable offers or better...he stays? There's a huge difference between buying something because it's "cheap" and buying something that costs more but, you get your money's worth. I'll take the added value.

http://www.kristidosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Big-Ten-Adjusted-Financial-Data1.pdf
 


I don't want Iowa to make the same mistake with Ferentz that they did with Mr. Davis. I am perfectly happy having solid 8-10 win seasons most of the time with the occasional great year where we go to a BCS game. I don't expect Iowa to compete for national championships year in and year out, and the day that a lot of fans expect this is the day Iowa football is in for a world of hurt.

This is exactly the way I feel. I don't always agree with some of the coaching decisions, the playcalling, etc. but that should not be mistaken for wanting a new head coach. Ferentz has done a terrific job with the program and I hope he stays around as long as he wants to be our coach.

Only way I'd want a coaching change is if there were massive scandals and/or for some reason the program just falls apart and we start missing bowl games every year.

Firing KF and trying to do better would be Tom Davis all over again, and I don't want to see that. I'm satisifed with what we have right now.

I feel like KF has us at the point where if he left for another job, we would be able to attract another good coach.
 




Top