One of the hardest things on a coach

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GesterHawk

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Is when they have players that don't play like they practice.

This goes both ways, you have practice all stars that don't play as crisply on Saturday and you have gamers who are inconsistent during the week.

It becomes more difficult for the coaches the closer to the ball the kid plays.

Best case scenario: CJ is energized and has his best two weeks of practice ever.
Next best case: Jake has a giant fire lit under his butt and comes out swinging against Purdue (if he actually starts).

Either way, hopefully whoever is out there Saturday has the best game so far of his career.
 
Very true. What kind of message does it send to the team when a kid who can do very little right in practice then gets the nod on game day? Fortunately those situations are pretty rare. Although it sounds like Iowa may have that very thing going on now.

Gonna be interesting for sure
 
I have a hard time believing that CJ does so poorly in practice that he can come into a game like he did Saturday and tear it up.

In the same breath, I have a hard time believing JR does so well in practice that he can come into a game like he does on Saturday and stink it up so badly.
 
Sparky said:
I have a hard time believing that CJ does so poorly in practice that he can come into a game like he did Saturday and tear it up.

In the same breath, I have a hard time believing JR does so well in practice that he can come into a game like he does on Saturday and stink it up so badly.
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I never said that there is a dramatic difference between the two in either direction. That is probably why it is such a hard call.

I think Iowa can be successful with either QB. I am probably in the minority of posters who believe this.

My guess is that is that level of difference between Jake and CJ in a game is about the same level of difference as you would see between them in practice.

Once again, I am probably in the minority in thinking that the difference between CJ and Jake is not as much as some think.
 
Awesome link Thunder.

On a personal side note, I really want Morgan Freeman to narrate my life. Maybe I can write my own eulogy and pay him to record himself reading it.
 
GesterHawk said:
I never said that there is a dramatic difference between the two in either direction. That is probably why it is such a hard call.

I think Iowa can be successful with either QB. I am probably in the minority of posters who believe this.

My guess is that is that level of difference between Jake and CJ in a game is about the same level of difference as you would see between them in practice.

Once again, I am probably in the minority in thinking that the difference between CJ and Jake is not as much as some think.
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I think if they rolled out a version of NCAA Football '15, JR would be an 81 and CJ would be an 82. JR would be a little higher on awareness, and CJ would be a little higher on throwing power. JR was successful last year because the competition was so bad and our defense was so stout that we just needed a guy to take care of the ball to edge out the opposition. We need a little more zaz from the QB this year and based on the fact that we almost lost to Ball State and did lose to Iowa State with JR at the helm, I think the evidence is in that we can't necessarily be successful with JR as the starter.
 
GesterHawk said:
I never said that there is a dramatic difference between the two in either direction. That is probably why it is such a hard call.

I think Iowa can be successful with either QB. I am probably in the minority of posters who believe this.

My guess is that is that level of difference between Jake and CJ in a game is about the same level of difference as you would see between them in practice.

Once again, I am probably in the minority in thinking that the difference between CJ and Jake is not as much as some think.
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Oh, there's a dramatice difference alright: Riddick gets entire games to wow us with his habitual checkdown mediocrity, while Beathard gets to stand around with the rest of us and watch it.

Perhaps when it comes to checkdown throws there isn't much difference, except for Beathard's better ball location and way quicker release.

Riddick plays that second half against Pitt, odds are about 8:1 we're 2-2.

Watching Iowa football was balls to the walls fun during that second half. Admit it, you all felt it, and we all know what the primary variant was.

If you think they're close merely because one is starting over the other, consider this:

Brad Banks was always better than McCann.

Stanzi was always better than Christensen.

Brady was always better than Bledsoe.

Warner was always better than Green.

They were better even though they weren't starting. They didn't just magically become better. They always were. They just needed to overcome coaching obtuseness and get on the field.

Beathard is better than Riddick. You can see it. You can believe your eyes.
 
okeefe4prez said:
I think if they rolled out a version of NCAA Football '15, JR would be an 81 and CJ would be an 82. JR would be a little higher on awareness, and CJ would be a little higher on throwing power. JR was successful last year because the competition was so bad and our defense was so stout that we just needed a guy to take care of the ball to edge out the opposition. We need a little more zaz from the QB this year and based on the fact that we almost lost to Ball State and did lose to Iowa State with JR at the helm, I think the evidence is in that we can't necessarily be successful with JR as the starter.
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I agree with this. Another factor is CJ has improved a lot. If he played like that against Wiscy or LSU we might have beat them. On the flip side, JR almost seems to have regressed. The offensive game plan was also very different (and much better) than the 1st three games, judging by the number of times we went deep and the number of plays out of the I formation. We played with an identity, the plays made sense (even in the 1st half) and it looked like Iowa football.
 
ThunderHawk said:
Oh, there's a dramatice difference alright: Riddick gets entire games to wow us with his habitual checkdown mediocrity, while Beathard gets to stand around with the rest of us and watch it.

Perhaps when it comes to checkdown throws there isn't much difference, except for Beathard's better ball location and way quicker release.

Riddick plays that second half against Pitt, odds are about 8:1 we're 2-2.

Watching Iowa football was balls to the walls fun during that second half. Admit it, you all felt it, and we all know what the primary variant was.

If you think they're close merely because one is starting over the other, consider this:

Brad Banks was always better than McCann.

Stanzi was always better than Christensen.

Brady was always better than Bledsoe.

Warner was always better than Green.

They were better even though they weren't starting. They didn't just magically become better. They always were. They just needed to overcome coaching obtuseness and get on the field.

Beathard is better than Riddick. You can see it. You can believe your eyes.
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Honestly, I didn't even bother reading this post after reading the use of Riddick as opposed to Rudock.

I have never understood this board's obsession with misspelled names for coaches and players that are not liked.
 
hwk23 said:
I agree with this. Another factor is CJ has improved a lot. If he played like that against Wiscy or LSU we might have beat them. On the flip side, JR almost seems to have regressed. The offensive game plan was also very different (and much better) than the 1st three games, judging by the number of times we went deep and the number of plays out of the I formation. We played with an identity, the plays made sense (even in the 1st half) and it looked like Iowa football.
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If you're an opponent scouting Riddick, what do you ascertain?

I believe 9 men in the box on a regular basis (heh, pRon) answers that question.
 
hwk23 said:
I agree with this. Another factor is CJ has improved a lot. If he played like that against Wiscy or LSU we might have beat them. On the flip side, JR almost seems to have regressed. The offensive game plan was also very different (and much better) than the 1st three games, judging by the number of times we went deep and the number of plays out of the I formation. We played with an identity, the plays made sense (even in the 1st half) and it looked like Iowa football.
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I would agree that we did see a more developed CJ on Saturday.
I ripped earlier for saying this, but he looked more willing to make the plays to move the chains. Whereas in the past, I just got the feeling he was trying to make only the passes that showed off his arm. He was a more complete QB than he has been in the past.

I would like to see how he handles a full 60 minutes, and this weekend would be a good time to see it.
 
GesterHawk said:
Honestly, I didn't even bother reading this post after reading the use of Riddick as opposed to Rudock.

I have never understood this board's obsession with misspelled names for coaches and players that are not liked.
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U can no haz laffy? Y U so srs?

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CJ can't be practicing that bad, Ferentz loves his returning starters and if Beathard was doing enough to force Ferentz to give him some snaps during games, the gap can't be that big. This is just Kurt being Kurt.
 
1hawkeye1 said:
Very true. What kind of message does it send to the team when a kid who can do very little right in practice then gets the nod on game day? Fortunately those situations are pretty rare. Although it sounds like Iowa may have that very thing going on now.

Gonna be interesting for sure
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I think they'll take game win over practice win.

We're talkin about practice, man. We not even talkin' bout the game.
 
I don't understand why people say that jr makes better reads and decisions than cj. Nothing I have seen proves this. I watched cj make a couple excellent check downs in the Pitt game. The other thing is I would rather my qb take chances in practice. That's to me is what practice is for, a chance to test and learn your limits. If in practice you only do what you know u can do already, then how have you grown. Practice should be a time when you don't worry about making mistakes.
 
lazyhawkfan said:
I don't understand why people say that jr makes better reads and decisions than cj. Nothing I have seen proves this. I watched cj make a couple excellent check downs in the Pitt game. The other thing is I would rather my qb take chances in practice. That's to me is what practice is for, a chance to test and learn your limits. If in practice you only do what you know u can do already, then how have you grown. Practice should be a time when you don't worry about making mistakes.
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Lazy, I think this is an excellent perspective. I would say that if you take a risk, or let's say, stretch a play beyond it's preferred intent, then you had better not make that mistake in a game. This controversy boils down to the media types reporting that CJ "was too risky" or "made too many mistakes" but we haven't seen that from him. What we have seen are two almost flawless performances. What we have seen from JR are great stats but many misreads, or throws to the wrong receiver. If CJ had received more time against UNI, BSU and ISU, he would have had more opportunities to success or fail. As it is, we've seen limited amounts of CJ, but what we've seen is almost perfection. CJ is a bobble catch away from leading us to scoring drives on all four of his possession (not counting the drive to run out clock against PITT). That is way to impressive to believe the "book" on him in practice.
 
Lots of rumors and false info out there. I don't think anyone has said CJ takes too many risks. All we know for sure is that last year, CJ ran a couple bootlegs for TDs that were not called by the coaches. Several weeks ago the coaches said CJ was behind Jake on the audible/getting the team into the right formation pre-snap stuff. I think we saw CJ mess that up a couple times late in the 4th quarter against Pitt - two timeouts got used....looked like Brian Ferentz was screaming at CJ. Regardless, I think you also could see the response of his teammates as they rallied around him. I don't think play calling changed that much when CJ went into the game. There's just a big difference in where the QB throws the ball. Two quality QB's is a nice problem to have.
 
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