Oklahoma / Big 12

W

westender

Well-Known Member
Mention this kind of stuff to an ISU forum poster and they will accuse you of being a troll. But they aren't living in reality. Their AD better be working as hard as possible on a plan B. Tell me this won't be used in recruitment against ISU and lesser Big 12 schools. Just show kids these kinds of articles. This league won't be here in 6 years or whatever. May not hurt now but what about 3 and 4 years from now? I know there has been other articles (I think Nebraska paper) about Oklahoma not a crazy idea of ending up in the Big Ten. Finebaum (who we all love to hate) has been all over this the last couple of weeks.................

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/co...-big-12-calling-titanic-can-see-iceberg-sight

I'd probably rather have Oklahoma in the Big Ten than have Texas. I see those two out of the Big 12 six years out.

If Oklahoma comes in, who would be the best option for school number 2?

I do think if the Big 12 disintegrates and we end up with 4 large conferences, the playoff field will be expanded to allow more teams in from whatever conferences are remaining outside those 4. That at least helps prop up their prospects and maintain interest in their programs. I think the field should be expanded to 16, but I also think 12 would be okay. A team could be 8-3 and still in the hunt going into the final week. A lot more interest from those fans in the last week than just wondering if they will get a .com bowl bid.
 
If we do end up with 4 power leagues,I think you're wrong on the playoff field being expanded to allow for non-power 4 in the case of expansion. In 6 years the outlook of TV contracts and revenue could look pretty different and IMO they'll try and lock in the huge dollars from the playoff to their own leagues. I think there is resistance to expand the playoffs, so I could see it going to 8, and it basically going to the division winners of each of the 4 leagues, with the overall champions getting a home game, and the semi-finals/finals being a more traditional bowl outlook.

I don't think OU ends up in the Big 10, just due to a culture fit I think they'd be better off in the SEC.

If you're wondering where I think ISU ends up, I think there will be a massive implosion in conferences below the power-4. There just won't be any TV dollars left available after the P4 sucks all the air out of the room. I think any team with any marketability joins up in a conference to try to get as many dollars as possible. I see the Big 12 have nots trying to reform with schools across the country assuming they can get enough TV dollars to support having to send non-revenue sports all around the country. It'd be a real mish-mash IMO. I bet it's something like:

ISU
KSU
TCU
BU
BYU
Boise
UCF
UConn
Houston
Cincinnatti
 
BryceC said:
If we do end up with 4 power leagues,I think you're wrong on the playoff field being expanded to allow for non-power 4 in the case of expansion. In 6 years the outlook of TV contracts and revenue could look pretty different and IMO they'll try and lock in the huge dollars from the playoff to their own leagues. I think there is resistance to expand the playoffs, so I could see it going to 8, and it basically going to the division winners of each of the 4 leagues, with the overall champions getting a home game, and the semi-finals/finals being a more traditional bowl outlook.

I don't think OU ends up in the Big 10, just due to a culture fit I think they'd be better off in the SEC.

If you're wondering where I think ISU ends up, I think there will be a massive implosion in conferences below the power-4. There just won't be any TV dollars left available after the P4 sucks all the air out of the room. I think any team with any marketability joins up in a conference to try to get as many dollars as possible. I see the Big 12 have nots trying to reform with schools across the country assuming they can get enough TV dollars to support having to send non-revenue sports all around the country. It'd be a real mish-mash IMO. I bet it's something like:

ISU
KSU
TCU
BU
BYU
Boise
UCF
UConn
Houston
Cincinnatti
Click to expand...

This is a reasonable package of teams, but demonstrates the big challenge for the "remaining" big 12 teams; geography. UConn and UCF are pretty far removed from that footprint.
 
Exactly, which is why I said they'd have to get a good enough TV contract to make it work for the non-revenue sports. If anybody who doesn't make the Power 4 tries to go regional, there just won't be enough quality schools to put together any kind of attractive conference that would demand any interest from network partners.

IMO Deace and Miller were right that the playoff will be expanded to provide a way to keep revenues high for the P4 if it comes to that. However, if ISU goes from making 31+ MM like last year from TV contracts to about 10 MM (the current AAC deal, best in G5) then that is still a tremendous blow to the athletic department.
 
For football conference geography isn't that big of a deal because you fly to away games anyway, and you're only going to have 4-5 away games over a 3 month stretch.

It is the other sports (basketball, baseball, volleyball, softball, etc.) that get killed with expanded conference geographies due to more away games occurring mid-week. If a non-power conference football league was created, as outlined above, hopefully those teams would only join up for football. They could then look to join a more regional conference for the non-football sports. I think UCONN is currently starting a similar relationship with the Big East for all sports except football.
 
OU doesn't qualify academically for the Big Ten. Texas is a great university, but do you want Texas in the Big Ten?
 
Duke said:
OU doesn't qualify academically for the Big Ten. Texas is a great university, but do you want Texas in the Big Ten?
Click to expand...

The one article went into that. Basically Nebraska was known to be getting dropped from their accreditation prior to being asked to join and Oklahoma is on par with Nebraska academically now. They also stated Notre Dame is not accredited and the Big Ten has been known to be courting them for nearly eternity now.
 
JRD90 said:
For football conference geography isn't that big of a deal because you fly to away games anyway, and you're only going to have 4-5 away games over a 3 month stretch.

It is the other sports (basketball, baseball, volleyball, softball, etc.) that get killed with expanded conference geographies due to more away games occurring mid-week. If a non-power conference football league was created, as outlined above, hopefully those teams would only join up for football. They could then look to join a more regional conference for the non-football sports. I think UCONN is currently starting a similar relationship with the Big East for all sports except football.
Click to expand...

No worries, 6 years from now Elon Musk will have something figured out involving hyper speed transport with self driving whatevers. will be a crazy world in 10 to 15 years.
 
westender said:
The one article went into that. Basically Nebraska was known to be getting dropped from their accreditation prior to being asked to join and Oklahoma is on par with Nebraska academically now. They also stated Notre Dame is not accredited and the Big Ten has been known to be courting them for nearly eternity now.
Click to expand...


Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame all have accreditation through the Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association. This is the standard accreditation that all legitimate traditional universities in the Midwest have.

You may be thinking about membership in the Association of American Universities which is a club of 60 elite doctoral research universities that grant more than half of the doctorates in the US. Iowa (and Iowa State) are members, but Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame are not. It was one of the arguments for why Nebraska did not belong in the Big 10 (as Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers, Ohio State, Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, and Minnesota are members).
 
Might want to listen to the recent podcast (5/7) with Miller & Deace on the subject which included their opinions on the impact of declining revenues at ESPN and its potential impact on a number of things including conferences, specific schools, bowl games, the playoffs, etc. One of the more enlightening podcasts in my opinion.
 
Duke said:
OU doesn't qualify academically for the Big Ten. Texas is a great university, but do you want Texas in the Big Ten?
Click to expand...
No. But not for their athletic prowess, but because they become the big obnoxious jerk in the room.
 
Recently OU is the only university in the nation, public or private, whose students have won Rhodes, Marshall, Mitchell, Goldwater, Truman, Fulbright and National Security Education Scholarships in the same year.

OU fall of 2016 class includes 279 National Merit Scholars from 40 states. That is more than any other school period. OU is Number 1 among all universities in the number of freshman National Merit Scholars enrolled. There are over 850 National Merit Scholars on OU campus.

OU would be a great fit for the Big 10. It is also about 10 miles from Oklahoma City which has an NBA basketball team and a fair amount of TV sets. There are many people that live in Texas that attended OU. They would be a great get for the big 10.
 
WDMTIGERHAWK2 said:
Recently OU is the only university in the nation, public or private, whose students have won Rhodes, Marshall, Mitchell, Goldwater, Truman, Fulbright and National Security Education Scholarships in the same year.

OU fall of 2016 class includes 279 National Merit Scholars from 40 states. That is more than any other school period. OU is Number 1 among all universities in the number of freshman National Merit Scholars enrolled. There are over 850 National Merit Scholars on OU campus.

OU would be a great fit for the Big 10. It is also about 10 miles from Oklahoma City which has an NBA basketball team and a fair amount of TV sets. There are many people that live in Texas that attended OU. They would be a great get for the big 10.
Click to expand...

Didn't know about the academic side but I agree with your take about the fit. Oklahoma and Texas will lead the parade out of the Big 12 before the conference folds one way or the other and I wonder if they want to go together? Texas seems like a giant headache and I previously thought that Georgia Tech would seem a natural fit if we go east but have a feeling they will stay in the ACC if it ends up as one of the four superconferences. So who does the Big Ten end up with when as Miller and Deace put it the music stops playing in the Big 12?
 
ohhawk said:
Might want to listen to the recent podcast (5/7) with Miller & Deace on the subject which included their opinions on the impact of declining revenues at ESPN and its potential impact on a number of things including conferences, specific schools, bowl games, the playoffs, etc. One of the more enlightening podcasts in my opinion.
Click to expand...
Deace is such a hack, it's hard to listen to anything he has to say. All he wants to talk about is political correctness and how that relates to college sports. So over those ignorant rant sessions. Wish they could talk sports and leave the politics out of it...would make for a much better discussion.
 
Its a big risk for OU to go to the B1G without Texas, that would probably hurt Texas recruiting. They could go to the $EC without Texas and it wouldn't be as big of a risk, because they would play A&M and other regional teams such as Arkansas and LSU. Not to mention the fact the $EC has already really been doing well with Texas recruits lately.
 
OkstHawk said:
Deace is such a hack, it's hard to listen to anything he has to say. All he wants to talk about is political correctness and how that relates to college sports. So over those ignorant rant sessions. Wish they could talk sports and leave the politics out of it...would make for a much better discussion.
Click to expand...

Deace can get long winded and mixes too much of the political stuff into it for my taste as well. That all seems part of his schtick and when you cut through that and pay attention to what he really says he tends to make some pretty salient points IMO. I thought the guys did a good job pointing out that the demise of ESPN has more far reaching consequences than many of us have considered especially for the Big 12 conference.

And to us older fans much of this may come as a surprise as at 60 I just caught on to streaming in the last year or so and didn't care for the quality of Playstation Vue so have elected to switch my package over to the basic in the offseason for now. As my generation catches on and the options for streaming and ala carte become better and more widespread we haven't seen anything yet.
 
hawkeyemark said:
Deace can get long winded and mixes too much of the political stuff into it for my taste as well. That all seems part of his schtick and when you cut through that and pay attention to what he really says he tends to make some pretty salient points IMO. I thought the guys did a good job pointing out that the demise of ESPN has more far reaching consequences than many of us have considered especially for the Big 12 conference.

And to us older fans much of this may come as a surprise as at 60 I just caught on to streaming in the last year or so and didn't care for the quality of Playstation Vue so have elected to switch my package over to the basic in the offseason for now. As my generation catches on and the options for streaming and ala carte become better and more widespread we haven't seen anything yet.
Click to expand...
Agreed. There ain't much Jon and I agree on but his take for why ESPN is failing is dead on...the political bs has a negligible impact was my point. This past year I cut the cable and have been using Sling and PlayStation but was frustrated with the lack of selection. I anticipate that changing as the streaming catches on.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Share this page

Top