Officiating

[uihawk82]

This is why I can't understand why the conference doesn't do more to curb that.

I dont mind hard screens and tough rebounding fights for balls but the conference needs to get rid of the handchecking and defensive chest bumping (which is just lazy *** defensive play) and start calling the slapping at the ball as a foul.

Sparty must have slapped at the ball and knocked it loose 15 times last nite and that used to be a foul call 75% of the time, not once last nite. terrible and you saw how frustrated the hawks were

 

[ILHawk]

Iowa hasn't had many games with good teams that haven't looked ugly. Can't blame all on Sparty

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

Iowa hasn't had many games with good teams that haven't looked ugly. Can't blame all on Sparty

Michigan didn't look ugly.

 

[MisterLucky]

When you allow a team to just grab the other team whenever they enter the lane, you are no longer playing basketball.

 

[tm3308]

Michigan didn't look ugly.

That's why they'll win a national title.

Michigan CAN play physical to win in the Big Ten. But they prefer to play more like the Kansas's, Dukes, etc. That style of play translates very well to the NCAA tournament, and Michigan is extremely good at it.

 

[ihawkeye]

This is the same terrible type of officiating that helped drive lute olson to the pac8-10-12. The last 8 minutes of the first half was ugly

Didn't the Iowa media drive Lute to Arizona?

 

[ILHawk]

Didn't the Iowa media drive Lute to Arizona?

I think it was Big Ten officiating.

 

[bamahawkeye]

Officiating is not why Iowa lost this game..making one basket over a 12 minute stretch and 18 turnovers is why they lost.

That said, this league needs to change the amount of mugging they allow in basketball...both ways. It's just not fun to watch...they need to change it as opposed to wearing it like some badge of honor.

Izzo's squads benefit from the reputation of being a physical team, and games they play in are officiated as such. I don't think that cost them the game, but it was complete chaos at times.

 

[homes]

This rough style of play and the poor officiating letting it go, not calling all the bumping, hand checking and slapping always hurts the b1g 10 in tourney play too. They get in the ncaas and nit and different crews clobber them with foul calls. Just review the Iowa loss to Toledo in 79 or 80 under Olson.

Your post was intriguing, so I looked back at the past 10 Final Fours. It breaks out by conference

Big East - 8 teams
Big Ten - 6
ACC - 6
Big 12 - 5
SEC - 5
Pac 10 - 3
C-USA - 3
Others - 4

The Big Ten has had relative success in getting to the Final Four, although it doesn't account of all games played in the tournament, for sure. Hard to say if BT style of play hurts them in the tournament, more of a subjective feeling, I think.

 

[tm3308]

Your post was intriguing, so I looked back at the past 10 Final Fours. It breaks out by conference

Big East - 8 teams
Big Ten - 6
ACC - 6
Big 12 - 5
SEC - 5
Pac 10 - 3
C-USA - 3
Others - 4

The Big Ten has had relative success in getting to the Final Four, although it doesn't account of all games played in the tournament, for sure. Hard to say if BT style of play hurts them in the tournament, more of a subjective feeling, I think.

Interesting note regarding that list. The Big Ten and Big East have combined to produce 14 Final Four teams over the last 10 years, but just 3 national titles (none for the Big Ten since MSU in '00).

The Big 12, ACC, and SEC have 16 appearances and 7 titles (and all three conferences have at least one).

The evidence there seems to be pretty strongly in favor of more finesse teams winning the whole thing. Even UCONN a couple years ago wasn't crazy physical, and they finished in the middle of the pack of the Big East, but flourished come Dance time.

 

[justwinbaby]

Like I said in the other officiating thread the refs did cost us the game along with a few other things. If you change any one of them Iowa wins. To say that the refs were bad but that they did not cost us the gam is absurd. We only lost by 3. I can think of 3 blatant calls or no calls that went against us that would account for at least 5 points if not more and thats not even considering the constant slapping at the ball that was never called. Maybe they always got all ball but the odds of that are highly unlikely. You can say the officiating wasn't bad or you can say it was equally bad both ways but to say it was bad but didn't cost us the game is a load of malarkey. Again thats not to say that there weren't other things that if we do or don't do that we could of won also.

 

[tm3308]

Like I said in the other officiating thread the refs did cost us the game along with a few other things. If you change any one of them Iowa wins. To say that the refs were bad but that they did not cost us the gam is absurd. We only lost by 3. I can think of 3 blatant calls or no calls that went against us that would account for at least 5 points if not more and thats not even considering the constant slapping at the ball that was never called. Maybe they always got all ball but the odds of that are highly unlikely. You can say the officiating wasn't bad or you can say it was equally bad both ways but to say it was bad but didn't cost us the game is a load of malarkey. Again thats not to say that there weren't other things that if we do or don't do that we could of won also.

If you play as close to a perfect game as possible, and you suffer from bad officiating in a close loss, THEN you can point the finger at officials. But when you commit 18 turnovers and shoot 60% from the free throw line, you lose that right. Would the game have gone differently had the officiating been better? Possibly. But blaming them for the loss is a cop out.

It's no different than if you're on the team and feel the urge to point fingers at teammates. Do your own damn job before you start pointing fingers. And don't put yourself in the position to be at the mercy of a referee's call, blown call, or no call.

 

[Hawkcrush]

Officiating is not why Iowa lost this game..making one basket over a 12 minute stretch and 18 turnovers is why they lost.

That said, this league needs to change the amount of mugging they allow in basketball...both ways. It's just not fun to watch...they need to change it as opposed to wearing it like some badge of honor.

AMEN! The game has changed from a game if skill and athleticism to football on hardwood. That Nix foul by Basabe was B.S. that fat a## turns into a guy who weighs 150 lbs less runs him over and gets a foul called for him. For me fat a## guys playing sports belong on first base not on a basketball court. It is one thing to be physical and play within the rules of the game-but if you watch a game from the 90-s to now it has changed for the worse. For instance how was a foul not called for May on his dunk attempt. It used to be if the bodies touched before or after the shot it was a foul, now it seems as though a foul is only when someone is practically tackled. Some of the refs last night need to retire though they were so old and fat they couldn't keep up with the game.

 

[homes]

AMEN! For instance how was a foul not called for May on his dunk attempt. It used to be if the bodies touched before or after the shot it was a foul, now it seems as though a foul is only when someone is practically tackled.

But it also seems to depend on where the foul happens, which is truly an arbitrary application of the rules. May gets bumped pretty good on his drive to the hoop, no foul. White bumps Harris after Harris released the shot and gets rung up for the 3 shot foul. Either both are fouls, or neither are fouls. They let a lot more go inside, even though the banging inside arguably affects shots moreso than the ticky-tack stuff that gets called on the outside (probably because most refs were guards when they played, so they're more sensitive to what goes on with the "little" guys outside - just a working theory)

 

[GhostofBTT]

 

[doclee]

Not true, bad teams hang with and sometimes beat really good teams on their home court quite often.

Good poster to put on your "ignore" list...just another mindless troll.

 

[doclee]

But it also seems to depend on where the foul happens, which is truly an arbitrary application of the rules. May gets bumped pretty good on his drive to the hoop, no foul. White bumps Harris after Harris released the shot and gets rung up for the 3 shot foul. Either both are fouls, or neither are fouls. They let a lot more go inside, even though the banging inside arguably affects shots moreso than the ticky-tack stuff that gets called on the outside (probably because most refs were guards when they played, so they're more sensitive to what goes on with the "little" guys outside - just a working theory)

The bigger "where" on White's phantom foul was the fact that the MSU bench was 2 feet away from the play and Izzo was all over it.

 

[sportstalent]

Shoulda won that one, and I'm not going to excuse the poor play, but the officiating DID cost Iowa the game. If that game is called like the majority of college bball games are- like hacks are hacks and shoves are shoves and flops are flops- the Hawks benefit much more than Sparty. The two bad calls down the stretch were the difference. Someone look at the tape and make the case that White actually made contact that affected the flight of the three ball. Someone show us a more blatant flop than the McCabe play.

In watching Iowa basketball, I have felt there has only been one game where officiating decided the outcome and that was at UNI last year.

The officiating did not cost Iowa the game, it was poorly officiated on both sides.

The McCabe play happens to many teams, not just Iowa.
The White play is one that also happens, not just Iowa.

Those two calls were not the difference, maybe the two throwaways by Gesell trying to hit White were the difference in the game.
Maybe the turnover by Gesell with just under a minute cost Iowa the game.
Maybe Woodbury getting stripped about 6 times when he let the ball drop below his waist cost Iowa the game.
Maybe May not going strong and dribbling then getting blocked cost Iowa the game.
Maybe the 500 times Iowa didn't play defense to defend the back door cost Iowa the game.
Maybe letting Payne tell everyone he was going to drive to the hoop 10 seconds before he did and then Iowa playing matador defense cost Iowa the game.

If you are going to blame those two calls, then you didn't watch the same game that most of us did.

Point to a lot of things, but Iowa has nobody to blame but themselves for losing the game, not the officials.

 

[doclee]

Officiating is not why Iowa lost this game..making one basket over a 12 minute stretch and 18 turnovers is why they lost.

That said, this league needs to change the amount of mugging they allow in basketball...both ways. It's just not fun to watch...they need to change it as opposed to wearing it like some badge of honor.

disagree, john. the 12 minute stretch you refer to was peppered with muggings by Msu and many of the turnovers were caused by fouls. the style of play the refs allowed DID cost Iowa the game. Iowa is not a physical team...more of a finesse outfit. players begin to anticipate being fouled and it changes their shots, sometimes their passes, and often their dribble/drives. If this game had been tightly called from the outset, I would put my $ on Iowa.

 

[sportstalent]

Officiating is not why Iowa lost this game..making one basket over a 12 minute stretch and 18 turnovers is why they lost.

That said, this league needs to change the amount of mugging they allow in basketball...both ways. It's just not fun to watch...they need to change it as opposed to wearing it like some badge of honor.

The B1G needs to take a serious look.

There was a spot during the NCAA tournament a few years ago, they were comparing MSU teams one when they won the NC to the team in the current tournament.

What is showed was how they were averaging 15 more ppg in the tournament and eclipsed their season average in conference play by more than 10 ppg in the Elite 8 to the Championship game.

Someone mentioned that if the officials let the game get physical Iowa is in trouble and that is true. Iowa can't compete on an athlete to athlete, but the add the physical nature, it is a wonder that Iowa had a chance to compete really. I think it shows that this team is not nearly as "soft" as some want to believe.