If you set the bar low enough, you'll never be disappointed.
Offensive success....
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If you set the bar low enough, you'll never be disappointed.
Exactly. Brian can't recruit worth a crap either. Zero talent at receiver.
Kennyfromminne
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Exactly, this is why nothing is going to change.
homes
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It's virtually impossible to not make comparisons to Davis and O'Keefe, and then dispute who was better or worse, the role of Kirk Ferentz in the whole thing. These are all legitimate discussions in my opinion; however, for me, I'm taking this as a fresh start for Iowa on offense, shucking the past as prologue to the future. I'm sure Greg Davis retired, but it wouldn't surprise me that Kirk spent zero time trying to talk him out of it. I like the choice of Brian as the coordinator. Not a lot of evidence to support my preference, other than his role as run coordinator, whatever that actually was, he did produce two successful running backs this past year, as well as a fairly successful running game the year before.
1977Hawkeye
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Wow, if true - that's deplorable. This just shouldn't and can't happen. If we can't out-recruit another in-state school that has exactly zero tradition and fewer resources and who we've traditionally kicked around, then yeah, that's an issue.
As for KOK vs Davis: KOK's offenses weren't usually would I would call "good" (outside of a couple years like 2002, 2005, 2008), but he still managed to at least have a few good offenses which is something Greg Davis never did here. KOK > GD. KOK was pretty average.. GD was pretty bad.
To answer the OP, I don't think having offenses somewhere in the Top 40-50 nationally should be too much to ask. How we get there (run vs. pass) I don't really care - it's the net result that I care about. Move the ball and score points, I'll be happy. I would consider that a degree of success, given the style of football we play and this not being the Big XII. We are usually bottom half in the nation, if not bottom third or quarter - we can and should do better.
For the record, I'm not opposed to a defensive-minded philosophy, but your offense still needs to at least be competent.
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earlkoppelman
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kok product muchbetter.CAP was not as much "SITTING" in offensive meetings.That's what I have read and heard.TO ME CAP more opposed to change.THAT will occur with sucess and age.AM much older than CAP.This typed by a 60"S LAVA LAMP USER AND OWNER.
HawkeyeWalker
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Try to enjoy Hawkeye footbal for the next 3-5 years. try.
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hawkeyebob62
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"I'll take this one, Mike!"
Only ONE criterion for the hire to be a success: 10 CFP titles in a row. Nothing less.
That's a tough question as Iowa is pretty much always going to be the Ravens (Kirk would like to think Steelers) of the Big Ten. Defense first, run the ball to control and pass game always comes in a third, although BF says we need balance. Do you judge it based on points per game, yards per game, pass yards per game, or straight wins and losses? I think anything where we are #6 or above in Big Ten total offense I would consider a success. That should be giving the D enough time to rest during games.
Number 1 criteria though is this. No pass routes short of the sticks on 3rd down unless and I mean unless the QB has to dump it to back as a last resort. Those plays were just maddening. And never ever have a fullback as your full time RB! God love Mark Weismann for all eternity!
hawkeyebob62
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I judge it on this: We could be ranked 1st in B1G in every offensive stat for the next 10 years. If KF and BF are still here, it won't be good enough for (too) many folks here. We could make the B1G CCG game each of those years, win 50% of them, and maybe even win a CFP title. But it won't be good enough.
You know, things like "rhabdo", "Section 8 housing", "losing Melvin Gordon", "the Texas decommits", "JC over Stanzi", "McCann over Banks". Naturally, easy schedules will account for the best years, a down B1G for the other years. And SHOULD the Hawks win a CFP title one of those years, it will be in spite of poor clock management. And of course, the contract extensions. Those folks will keep moving the bar. It's the only way they're happy.
There's another element to. If the defense knows how the WRs are going to read the defense (based on the defense they show), they probably can figure out where the WRs are going.
DBAHawkFan
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Brian did touch on it, adjusting the scheme week to week. That would be probably the biggest change in the history of KF football.
We literally do the same @#%#% thing every game.
I have zero expectations with Brian. He is fortunate to follow the worst five years of offensive football I have ever seen. The worst. So really only way for him to go, and that's up.
No more read/react from the WR and QB. Yes there'll be some of it with hot routes, audibles, etc. But let's get the playbook to a point where younger playmakers don't need three years in the system (unless they're a good walk on story) to figure it out. I get blocking is important for our scheme, but if we want better WR to come here, we need to show they can play sooner, and make plays not blocks
And please, please use the TE. We could be very similar to NE with some of the talent we have had at that position. But we never used them. KOK did, GD did not.
Fant should be placed all over the field next year. Will he? No freaking clue.
and lastly, it would be nice to enjoy watching the Hawks, win or lose. The 12-10 slop-fests just grate on the nerves. I don't want 48-45 games every week, but even in the wins it feels like we just lucked into it. and the losses hurt more because it felt like we were just hoping for a bounce rather than creating it.
tougher schedule next year, so don't expect better results than what we had this year
We literally do the same @#%#% thing every game.
I have zero expectations with Brian. He is fortunate to follow the worst five years of offensive football I have ever seen. The worst. So really only way for him to go, and that's up.
No more read/react from the WR and QB. Yes there'll be some of it with hot routes, audibles, etc. But let's get the playbook to a point where younger playmakers don't need three years in the system (unless they're a good walk on story) to figure it out. I get blocking is important for our scheme, but if we want better WR to come here, we need to show they can play sooner, and make plays not blocks
And please, please use the TE. We could be very similar to NE with some of the talent we have had at that position. But we never used them. KOK did, GD did not.
Fant should be placed all over the field next year. Will he? No freaking clue.
and lastly, it would be nice to enjoy watching the Hawks, win or lose. The 12-10 slop-fests just grate on the nerves. I don't want 48-45 games every week, but even in the wins it feels like we just lucked into it. and the losses hurt more because it felt like we were just hoping for a bounce rather than creating it.
tougher schedule next year, so don't expect better results than what we had this year
seepig
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I'm pulling those recruiting numbers from 247Sports.com which is a standard barometer. It's deplorable is an understatement
Joshbrown
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Hmmmm, seems like a lot of angry lies and denial. Welp, that's what you get from cultists.
hawkeyebob62
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Do you even understand what a cult is or how one operates? Didn't think so.
blubberhawk
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Brad Banks
Drew Tate
Ricky Stanzi
CJ Beathard (when healthy)
4 guys who could make plays regardless of our sucky offensive philosophy and all led us to some great seasons. Our best hope while K. Ferentz is coach is that our next quarterback is a "playmaker", also. Otherwise, it will be more of the same with Brian as OC.
HomerChampless
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Ah jeeze, I just read another biased post saying Davis' offense was the worst, ever, under KF. Guess some guys have conveniently forgotten Iowa's offenses of 2014 and 2015. The 2015 offense saved the team. How many years was Davis OC for Iowa, anyway?
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