NikeHawk21
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I'd worry about the game this Saturday where we are underdogs at MSU.
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HomerChampless
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With all my experience of watching Iowa football under KF, KF, the offensive genius
, is still greatly influencing offensive play calling as he's done before.In the first half of Pedo State's game, Iowa's offense ran into brick wall after brick wall and in the second half someone else seemed to be taking over the play calling. Brian, maybe? It's great to establish a run game. Not so great when trying to run against an eight man defensive line. IMO, dad's brute force was evident in the offense of the first half and son's trickery was evident in the offense of the second.
HawkGold
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With all my experience of watching Iowa football under KF, KF, the offensive genius
In the first half of Pedo State's game, Iowa's offense ran into brick wall after brick wall and in the second half someone else seemed to be taking over the play calling. Brian, maybe? It's great to establish a run game. Not so great when trying to run against an eight man defensive line. IMO, dad's brute force was evident in the offense of the first half and son's trickery was evident in the offense of the second.
You might be right. I have a bit different take. It is a part of the game plan system against any team. Wear them down. Pound pound pound while keeping it close and then mix it up....a bit. On was it the first drive they did throw down the middle on an over through (I think the predictable tight end) which could have been caught or intercepted. Don't do anything to cause damage mentality.
Wadley's counter run in my opinion was set up the whole game. They finally were getting PSU to completely not respect anything much other than running into their strength...then bam...
If that's correct, it is a bit of a defeatist attitude....we can't compete. My contention is that to keep it that close and be inches away from a win playing that way means that you are as good and likely better than your opponent at least on your home field.
I came away thinking Iowa was in fact the better team. They didn't play like they were. I also think there is a mentality among opposing coaches of good teams that it is very embarrassing to lose to Iowa.
DBAHawkFan
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It's the KF strategy. It's the rope a dope analogy from boxing. KF wants a very tight game, and will be even MORE conservative the bigger the stage. I'm sorry but ever since KOK left, we rarely try to win the game on offense until the 4th Q
We saw it against MSU in 2015, UM 2016, and PSU this year. We'll keep running into 10 man fronts until the 4th Q where we'll decide to do the counter. The MSU game in 2015 we didn't attempt a deep pass until the 4th Q, when we threw 3 on back to back to back plays (one scored, one was PI on MVB, and the other missed)
We're left with the what if game after its over, as we usually don't win those games. But that's how KF coaches. He has no confidence in his guys to execute anything that isn't their bread and butter (stretch run short side). He wants the teams compressed on the field, and to be fair it usually does work. But it's ugly football, and almost always comes down to the final play. If we don't have Wadley, we have no chance. Other than the turnover and score before half, we had one big play and that was ISM coming down with that 30 yard pass. We just don't have the playmakers to score on big plays.
It's frustrating.
As for the odds of winning the West, who knows. We talk about tendencies and KF tends to lose against a team we shouldn't, so we may need to factor that into the remaining schedule
We saw it against MSU in 2015, UM 2016, and PSU this year. We'll keep running into 10 man fronts until the 4th Q where we'll decide to do the counter. The MSU game in 2015 we didn't attempt a deep pass until the 4th Q, when we threw 3 on back to back to back plays (one scored, one was PI on MVB, and the other missed)
We're left with the what if game after its over, as we usually don't win those games. But that's how KF coaches. He has no confidence in his guys to execute anything that isn't their bread and butter (stretch run short side). He wants the teams compressed on the field, and to be fair it usually does work. But it's ugly football, and almost always comes down to the final play. If we don't have Wadley, we have no chance. Other than the turnover and score before half, we had one big play and that was ISM coming down with that 30 yard pass. We just don't have the playmakers to score on big plays.
It's frustrating.
As for the odds of winning the West, who knows. We talk about tendencies and KF tends to lose against a team we shouldn't, so we may need to factor that into the remaining schedule
HomerChampless
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To point to your comments about KF wanting to keep the game close in the 4th (which I agree), how can Iowa's defense respond in the 4th quarter when they've been gassed by playing bend but don't break defense the entire game against a team that passes? I especially think about the gassed pass rushers.
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DBAHawkFan
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One change he's made over the last two years is that he's finally decided it's OK to sub DLinemen. 2010 season could have been different if we give our DL a breather. As you said, how can they be expected to perform their best when they are out there for the entire game.
I'm annoyed that Iowa didn't use their final timeout on the last play of the game. See what PSU comes out with, and also give another 30-60 second break for your DL (maybe enough time to get Eppy back out there)
Expect another game in the phone booth Saturday. I don't know much about MSU other than you can expect an identical gameplan from them on defense. Run blitz on 1st and 2nd down.
And we'll run right into it
I'm annoyed that Iowa didn't use their final timeout on the last play of the game. See what PSU comes out with, and also give another 30-60 second break for your DL (maybe enough time to get Eppy back out there)
Expect another game in the phone booth Saturday. I don't know much about MSU other than you can expect an identical gameplan from them on defense. Run blitz on 1st and 2nd down.
And we'll run right into it
hawkfan2679
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Gold - Are you talking about Wadley's TD run? That wasn't even a counter play...just a simple zone play to the left that PSU total botched their defensive alignment on. Actually, the only reason our two big plays happened were due to botched alignment/assignment by #40. However, I will say this...if the coaches saw this when they called the Wadley running play they deserve all the credit in the world. Watch the action of the LB's on the Wadley TD pass:
See the presnap rotation TO the running back's side? PSU thought they had something there because they went to this more than once. It's a cover 1 look with an overload blitz (slant 3 tech to A gap, 5 tech to B gap, then bring two off the edge...if the back releases, the MLB takes him and you still have one free blitzer - Cabinda didn't come off in time) to the back's side. It burned them on this play because their guys were in the right spot, but they just didn't make a play.
Now let's look at Wadley's run. It's the identical personnel grouping (11 personnel) with the strong safety covered down on Fant. You get the same presnap rotation of the LB's suggesting they are again going to go with the overload blitz to the back's side. However, this time we went ahead and ran the ball. Cabinda wasn't going to make the same mistake twice, so he stays on top of the LOS scrum but at the snap and on his first step he's 4 gaps away from where he's supposed to be (as a weak side B gap player). Also, I don't think they anticipated run, which is why the run fits were so terrible. Bad angle by the safety, Wadley does Wadley things, play the fight song.
HawkGold
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That backup QB who came in for McSorley through two lasers and with that 15 yard penalty on Iowa took them on a quick TD with a great throw. Barkley is PSU's engine on offense
Hawks have to win at Wisky to win the west, that is a 2 game type of swing in the win or loss column plus the direct tiebreaker which is like another win.
From the SE corner of the grandstands Wadley's TD run looked almost like a draw with a slight delay but from that replay the handoff happened pretty quick. But Stanley looked like he was in a pass drop motion rather than pivoting to handoff so give him kudos to Stanley to make it look like pass.
hawkfan2679
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Prototypical zone read footwork from Stanley on that one; if anything he opened too far. Not that it mattered...
Great breakdown. How about Daniels with enough fast-twitch to step play-side, check back against a slanting DL (shoving him to the ground), and then still getting just a piece of LB40's hip, enough to put him out of the play?
Yes, that was awesome blocking to the 2nd level. That was the block.
BlindDogScooter
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Can't argue with much of it although I like Minny's chances better than the Bugeaters...
HawkeyeWalker
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I think your last sentence is very inaccurate. I believe Iowa is highly respected amongst most, if not all opposing coaches, even those that have whooped Iowa in the past. While almost every coach says we "are not difficult to prepare for", in terms of scheme, the respect is there. In my opinion, in reading and hearing the comment from both present and past opposing coaches.
BigD
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I agree about how much they respect him. So much so that they want him to keep coaching at Iowa for another fifteen or so years. I bet those same coaches cried when Old Joe resigned from PSU. Those PSU fans are just so miserable too.
HawkeyeDenis
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After Saturday's Notre Dame game I am not that worried about MSU. However, if Iowa doesn't get past MSU. Forget about winning the West.
vork22
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Talking about winning the West is delusional. There's no chance we run the table with this schedule. It was delusional when the schedule came out. Iowa will never win the West without a favorable schedule. I still see this as a 4-5 loss team. If this team had 2015s schedule they would likely lose 1-3 games and have a shot at the West. Wiscy, Minny, NW or Purdue have schedules that could win the West.
DBAHawkFan
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Could we win the West? Sure. I think we'll be in the race going into the last two weeks of November.
Where I feel less than confident is with the same old issue plaguing Iowa football, the offense. With KF style of football, our defense just gets gassed every single game and it comes down to a lucky bounce, a long Wadley run, or who knows what else for us to get the win. Even in our 12-0 season, every game was a heart attack in the Big10
Games where our defense plays lights out, our offense can't move the ball. Games where our offense moves at will, our defense can't make a stop.
Us winning the West will come down to luck.
Where I feel less than confident is with the same old issue plaguing Iowa football, the offense. With KF style of football, our defense just gets gassed every single game and it comes down to a lucky bounce, a long Wadley run, or who knows what else for us to get the win. Even in our 12-0 season, every game was a heart attack in the Big10
Games where our defense plays lights out, our offense can't move the ball. Games where our offense moves at will, our defense can't make a stop.
Us winning the West will come down to luck.
