NY Times Annihilates NCAA and Penn State - Must Read

Let's see...all the guilty people are gone. So you punish the one's who took their places and are not to blame?

Yeah, makes a lot of sense.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
Let's see...all the guilty people are gone. So you punish the one's who took their places and are not to blame?

Yeah, makes a lot of sense.
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The culture is alive and well. Look at the comments by the board. They have basically said they are terrified to take action for fear of repercussion. This is about way more than just this one case and the few people that were fired or are dead.

But, let's talk about USC as an example, Reggie Bush, Pete Carroll, Mike Garrett, and Todd McNair are all gone, but USC football is still serving penalties. How about SMU? Shields, Hitch, and Collins all left, but the school still received the death penalty?

How about OSU? The vest is gone, but they still are under scholarship reductions. Need I go on?
 
metahawk said:
This is a travesty. Judgements were based on incomplete information. Many of the people involved were not even interviewed but judged to have certain motivations. Conclusions were drawn from brief emails. Judgements based on those involved at the time of the alleged violations with what we know now isn't fair to them, and not the path to the full truth.

There is not enough space here to refute each point. To do so isn't necessary, anyway. Caltech has a rich tradition and history. I proudly downloaded their website iPhone App and will continue to use it even though I have no reason to. It's a good App dammit. I will be attempting to use it while rooting for my beloved Beavers at the big water polo match next month. WE ARE. CALTECH. (beavers).
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LOL - I think only those who visit the cult of Joe boards will appreciate how well done this is.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
Let's see...all the guilty people are gone. So you punish the one's who took their places and are not to blame?Yeah, makes a lot of sense.
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rarely in life do punishments only impact the guilty. its the way life works. leaders impact everyone below them on the food chain.
 
If the abused children were the kids of suburbanites or wealthy donors instead of "at risk" youth, would any of this even be up for debate?
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
Let's see...all the guilty people are gone. So you punish the one's who took their places and are not to blame?

Yeah, makes a lot of sense.
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Football does not define the institution, it should be the other way around. This is what needs to be fixed at Penn State, they allowed the football program and Joe Paterno become bigger than the institution. Penn State needs to go back to being an institution for higher learning first and foremost. Once they get that back down and understand it, then perhaps you bring back their football program under heavy sanctions until they can prove the university can handle having a big time football program once again.

A death penalty will not hurt Penn State as much as it did SMU. Remember the violations SMU committed were recruiting, gaining an advantage to bring the talent to SMU instead of going to Texas, Tech, or A&M. You take away SMU's ability to cheat and they quickly turned into a mid major. Penn State does not have to cheat to compete as they sit in a hotbed of talent. Even with all the issues they are having they still have the #15 ranked recruiting class for 2013, and I hear of no one decommitting. After whatever death sentence they get, Penn State will be able to become competitive again. But by shutting them down for a couple of years you send the message that no 1 person or football program is bigger than life and the laws of our country.
 
ssckelley said:
Football does not define the institution, it should be the other way around. This is what needs to be fixed at Penn State, they allowed the football program and Joe Paterno become bigger than the institution. Penn State needs to go back to being an institution for higher learning first and foremost. Once they get that back down and understand it, then perhaps you bring back their football program under heavy sanctions until they can prove the university can handle having a big time football program once again.

A death penalty will not hurt Penn State as much as it did SMU. Remember the violations SMU committed were recruiting, gaining an advantage to bring the talent to SMU instead of going to Texas, Tech, or A&M. You take away SMU's ability to cheat and they quickly turned into a mid major. Penn State does not have to cheat to compete as they sit in a hotbed of talent. Even with all the issues they are having they still have the #15 ranked recruiting class for 2013, and I hear of no one decommitting. After whatever death sentence they get, Penn State will be able to become competitive again. But by shutting them down for a couple of years you send the message that no 1 person or football program is bigger than life and the laws of our country.
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You really think that message will be received in SEC country?
I am watching some of the SEC media days that is broadcast on national tv for 4 straight days on ESPNU,with tens of thousands of fans attending just to try to get a glimpse of their hero coach or players, with over 1000 media credentials issued,and you think that these programs are going to reel it in if PSU is given the death penalty?

Not a chance. And now with a playoff the volume is being turned up,making it even more lucrative and the football programs and coaches even more god-like.

If Nick Saban wanted someone murdered,he could do it,and get away with it. It comes down to human beings in those positions of power making moral correct decisions. No NCAA penalty will guarantee that.
 
JHHawk said:
You really think that message will be received in SEC country?
I am watching some of the SEC media days that is broadcast on national tv for 4 straight days on ESPNU,with tens of thousands of fans attending just to try to get a glimpse of their hero coach or players, with over 1000 media credentials issued,and you think that these programs are going to reel it in if PSU is given the death penalty?

Not a chance. And now with a playoff the volume is being turned up,making it even more lucrative and the football programs and coaches even more god-like.

If Nick Saban wanted someone murdered,he could do it,and get away with it. It comes down to human beings in those positions of power making moral correct decisions. No NCAA penalty will guarantee that.
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That is a shame and Penn State is proving that it needs to be fixed. Football is a game, it is not life nor should it have that much control.
 
BSpringsteen said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/17/opinion/a-just-penalty-for-penn-state.html

Articles like this are going to force the NCAA's hand.

Big Time.

From the article:


It would be hard to imagine a more frivolous violation of the rules — or one that could do less harm to the integrity of college sports. What’s more, Caltech turned itself in after a new athletic director realized that the practice of shopping for classes probably violated N.C.A.A. rules. Yet the punishment imposed on the school was severe: three years of probation, a postseason ban in a dozen sports, the erasure of wins and individual records that were gained with ineligible athletes, and more. Indeed, Caltech was cited for “a lack of institutional control,â€￾ which is pretty much the worst thing you can be accused of in N.C.A.A.-speak.
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"Must Read"?

I don't read that thing when it's free.
 
ThunderHawk said:
If the abused children were the kids of suburbanites or wealthy donors instead of "at risk" youth, would any of this even be up for debate?
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Huh? It's not up for debate now. And who even knows--or cares--about the victims' socioeconomic status. They are VICTIMS. It doesn't matter their background, OR the background(s) of the perpetrator(s).

Turning this into "class warfare" is disgusting. It cheapens the whole thing even more, if that's possible.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Huh? It's not up for debate now. And who even knows--or cares--about the victims' socioeconomic status. They are VICTIMS. It doesn't matter their background, OR the background(s) of the perpetrator(s).

Turning this into "class warfare" is disgusting. It cheapens the whole thing even more, if that's possible.
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Class warfare? Are you serious? I'm talking about balance of power and ability to influence. You know, the real world we all live in?

Seriously, old man...turn of the Limbaugh and FOX News. You're getting paranoid.
 
If the NCAA did that to CalTech, and does nothing (or little) to Penn State, then they ought to disband the NCAA. It's clear they have the authority to act - they just need to demonstrate the balls to act against a big time program, instead of just picking on the ones that can't fight back.

Punishing a school for allowing its athletes to do what every other student at that school gets to (legally) do versus allowing a major university, deeply embedded in the national consciousness of college football to continue on without repercussions?

That would be the last straw for the NCAA. If for no other reason than their own continued existence, they HAVE to act in a strong and purposeful way against Penn State.
 
homes said:
If the NCAA did that to CalTech, and does nothing (or little) to Penn State, then they ought to disband the NCAA. It's clear they have the authority to act - they just need to demonstrate the balls to act against a big time program, instead of just picking on the ones that can't fight back.

Punishing a school for allowing its athletes to do what every other student at that school gets to (legally) do versus allowing a major university, deeply embedded in the national consciousness of college football to continue on without repercussions?

That would be the last straw for the NCAA. If for no other reason than their own continued existence, they HAVE to act in a strong and purposeful way against Penn State.
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I've been stating all along that Penn Rape puts the NCAA on the legitimacy clock.
 
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