Not a Slump!

WindsorHawk said:
I'm 1 of the few people that has been in his corner all year...there are others. I like his basketball IQ and think he does some other things well on the court. He obviously needs to bump that percentage up next year. He's hardly the 1st guy to struggle his 2nd year.

There's this thing called a sophomore slump. I've said the same thing about White when people say he hasn't improved. The league/coaches make adjustments to neutralize a freshman player's strengths. Between the sophomore and junior seasons the player adjusts, improves, etc. and plays well the last 2 years.
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That's the thing though, he shot just as bad as in the B10 last year. He was just overshadowed by Gatens and shot better against the garbage schools we played in the non-conf to bump up his overall shooting percentage.
 
hawkfan33 said:
I wouldn't count on it, he shot basically the same percentage in B10 games as he did last season. So in two full years worth of B10 games he's proven to be about a 25% 3 point shooter.
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I think he has to understand being open doesn't mean shoot it. When he comes off the screen and is drifting, not squared up properly, fading away, etc. he almost always misses. When he gets squared up on a kick out, fast break, etc. he makes more and looks better when he misses...like it was a shot he could make and should take. He can't rush the shot off the screen because the defender is flying at him...has to get set and square to the basket. If he's not set properly pass the ball and make the defense work some more IMO.
 
hawkfan33 said:
That's the thing though, he shot just as bad as in the B10 last year. He was just overshadowed by Gatens and shot better against the garbage schools we played in the non-conf to bump up his overall shooting percentage.
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Can I make up something new like a "Wait until he's a Junior Bump?"
 
In my 1st post I intended to mention he shot over 79% from the line and had a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. Both are good stats.
 
LG210 said:
College kids are not grown men.

Are you a grown man? Because you are acting like a child.
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Yes, they are. When I was in college, I was done growing. And I wasn't a kid, I was an adult. If you can go to war and die for your country at that age, I'm sure college basketball players can handle some criticism of their game.
 
OBhawk said:
If you shoot 26% from 3 and 29% overall, and that is one of the worst in the nation. Than I would say that is pretty bad shooter. IMO
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Yeah defiantly not somebody you want taking the majority of the 3 point shots for sure...he just not any good as a shooter.
 
1977Hawkeye said:
Yes, they are. When I was in college, I was done growing. And I wasn't a kid, I was an adult. If you can go to war and die for your country at that age, I'm sure college basketball players can handle some criticism of their game.
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They can't legally buy a beer though... Also, I was a lot more mature at 30 than 20 and at 40 than 30 and at 48 than 40. They may be adults on the outside, legally, whatever but they're not fully developed with their decision making, maturity, etc.
 
WindsorHawk said:
They can't legally buy a beer though... Also, I was a lot more mature at 30 than 20 and at 40 than 30 and at 48 than 40. They may be adults on the outside, legally, whatever but they're not fully developed with their decision making, maturity, etc.
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If you can go die for your country, then you should also be able to buy a beer. Or play the lotto.
 
The way we shot as a team this year, not to mention last night, I can't find it in me to single out any individual as a bad shooter. JO missed more than his fair share, but so did everyone else, on more than one occasion.
 
marshallcart said:
42/156 3's = .269% those 42 makes produced 126 points.

it would take 63 made two's to produce that many points, and 63/156 = .4038.

team-wise, yes, that is poor. but for an individual, as I said, not horrible.
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I think that's a very flawed way to look at it so instead of having a big argument, I'll just say I disagree and that it is indeed horrible.
 
kicker22 said:
The way we shot as a team this year, not to mention last night, I can't find it in me to single out any individual as a bad shooter. JO missed more than his fair share, but so did everyone else, on more than one occasion.
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This is the point I have been making all season, every loss started 10 Oglesby is terrible and shouldn't be playing threads and a subsequent 4 pages of utter garbage.

That said, I have never advocated him being benched, but I have advocated for him to be more selective or hit shots. His defense is not bad, he shoots FT's well, he is one of the better passers on the team and he has a positive assist to turnover ratio and that is a critical stat for a guard.

The criticisms of Oglesby are simply not valid though and let me point it out to you folks again. Josh Oglesby has never proven to be a consistent shooter in a game situation, so your points that he is shooting bad are null and void.
If you are going to rip a player for regressing it has to be McCabe who proved he could shoot it and was hovering around 27% for most of the season, yes he shot it better in the postseason, but so did Oglesby, so what? The difference is Oglesby is supposed to hit shots and McCabe's 3-pt shooting is just a bonus. That is an ignorant line of thinking as well, I don't understand how Oglesby is even talked about when he hasn't accomplished anything and is simply doing what the coaches are telling him to do...shoot the ball, if they don't tell him to stop that is on them.

I resisted for a bit on commenting on Oglesby and being the minority, but this one is just another example of how people don't really pay attention to the game of basketball.
 
sportstalent said:
This is the point I have been making all season, every loss started 10 Oglesby is terrible and shouldn't be playing threads and a subsequent 4 pages of utter garbage.

That said, I have never advocated him being benched, but I have advocated for him to be more selective or hit shots. His defense is not bad, he shoots FT's well, he is one of the better passers on the team and he has a positive assist to turnover ratio and that is a critical stat for a guard.

The criticisms of Oglesby are simply not valid though and let me point it out to you folks again. Josh Oglesby has never proven to be a consistent shooter in a game situation, so your points that he is shooting bad are null and void.
If you are going to rip a player for regressing it has to be McCabe who proved he could shoot it and was hovering around 27% for most of the season, yes he shot it better in the postseason, but so did Oglesby, so what? The difference is Oglesby is supposed to hit shots and McCabe's 3-pt shooting is just a bonus. That is an ignorant line of thinking as well, I don't understand how Oglesby is even talked about when he hasn't accomplished anything and is simply doing what the coaches are telling him to do...shoot the ball, if they don't tell him to stop that is on them.

I resisted for a bit on commenting on Oglesby and being the minority, but this one is just another example of how people don't really pay attention to the game of basketball.
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Thank you...someone finally understands. Jo is not a bad player. Has he played great no but the hate spewed his way is unwarranted.
 
Foval21 said:
Thank you...someone finally understands. Jo is not a bad player. Has he played great no but the hate spewed his way is unwarranted.
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He deserves criticism, but not the hate as you have indicated. JO needs to develop a go-to mid-range area and hit a couple of those before sending up 3's, unless he is set off of an extra pass. His shot looks good, the result, however, not always so good.

JO was hardly my biggest disappointment of the season.

He has become the new lightning rod of Hawkeye Nation and Woodbury has been a close second.

Like Mel and Gatens (until he went on his streak) last season.

Iowa's shooting, ball movement and shot selection were terrible for the most part this season. Just like when they played Baylor the other night, they passed the ball with no purpose and settled for quick shots when they started to get behind. The problem is, Iowa doesn't have good enough shooters to do that, not one. Extra passing and intelligent dribble penetration was lacking in Iowa's losses and it was no different Thursday.
 
I think that Josh is a B1G caliber player. I think he is going to come around. His shot looks sweet.


However....

OBHawk put up the stat line and made an observation that it is bad shooting. It is plain and simple bad shooting. There was no name calling.

He's wrong that Josh isn't a B1G caliber player. Plain and simple, wrong.
 
sportstalent said:
He deserves criticism, but not the hate as you have indicated. JO needs to develop a go-to mid-range area and hit a couple of those before sending up 3's, unless he is set off of an extra pass. His shot looks good, the result, however, not always so good.

JO was hardly my biggest disappointment of the season.

He has become the new lightning rod of Hawkeye Nation and Woodbury has been a close second.

Like Mel and Gatens (until he went on his streak) last season.

Iowa's shooting, ball movement and shot selection were terrible for the most part this season. Just like when they played Baylor the other night, they passed the ball with no purpose and settled for quick shots when they started to get behind. The problem is, Iowa doesn't have good enough shooters to do that, not one. Extra passing and intelligent dribble penetration was lacking in Iowa's losses and it was no different Thursday.
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I completely agree with you. He is a shooter but not a 3 pt sniper. He needs to use the same approach as gesell. Gesell likes to hit a couple free throw line jumpers then extend. Ogelsby could learn from that. Otherwise ogelsby has a pretty solid game. Not great but solid.

I was critical of gatens but never thought he wasn't capable of playing in the b1g (like some were and how some are to jo). I just felt he wasn't best served being the #1 scoring option at this level and really I think he would have been best as a #2 but the team around him didn't allow that to happen.

Your take on the offense is what I see also and it is one of the reasons I cringe everytime someone writes that marble is our best pg. The reversing of the ball and movement of players seems to come to a stop with him at the point. Yes he gets his pts and assists but it seems like the rest of the team is just waiting for him to do it all. That is not good offensive basketball.

If jo can find more of a rhythm with his shot, hit more mid range to open up the 3 pt, and make sure his feet are set on the 3 instead of fading back or to the sides I think his percentage will go up and he will really show that he is better than what a bunch of message board coaches think about him.
 
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