HawkeyeWalker
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HEY ! we are 3-2 vs. weak competition....c'mon man at least give us the winning record.
Northwestern - aka Pretenders
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HEY ! we are 3-2 vs. weak competition....c'mon man at least give us the winning record.
HawkPrdatr40
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No bad blood intended, dude. But regardless of the "what ifs", we're 3-2, they're 5-0. And they've played a schedule at least at tough as ours. Calling out a team that has clearly outplayed you seems a little ...well, I dunno.
How bout we just kick their arse in a few weeks and settle it.
I will STRONGLY object to that comment.. Your clearly looking at just the record sure Syracuse, Boston College and Vandy all our 1-3, but let's look at the teams those 3 have lost too. Vanderbuilt- South Carolina, Georgia, Northwestern. Syracuse- Northwestern, USC and at Minnesota. Boston College- Miami, Northwestern and Clemson.. Don't even tell me that Northwestern schedule is as tough as Iowa's schedule, that is laughable!!!!!
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HawkPrdatr40
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Put the crack pipe down and do me a favor, go look at the schedules of the teams that are on Northwestern schedule this year and why they have the record they do. Then get back to me. I did it for you (see above). That comment you made that northwestern schedule is as tough as ours is crazy talk.
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HawkeyeWalker
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Better than that even, go look at the schedules of teams that lost to the teams that were on the schedules of the teams that were on NW schedule. That really tells the story...
Everything will work itself out in the new few weeks....until then everyone is wrong about who's good and not.
HawkPrdatr40
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Boston College, Vandy and Syracuse of the 9 loses 4 of them are against highly ranked team. I think some of you just look at the record and think oh they garbage, but damn dude how about you go look at who Vandy plays this year or BC or Syracuse to slam on there overall record go look at who they play all year. They play in Big Conferences. Give Northwestern credit for getting these teams scheduled and reward them for being 5-0 right now. If your saying they are pretenders for who they played, that is wrong.. IMO that is a solid schedule Look at Iowa schedule- Northern Illinois, Central Michigan, Iowa State and UNI. Your saying that Northwestern schedule is as tough as what Iowa faced?? Please that is so laughable..
HawkPrdatr40
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I did that in the post before that.. Here is a list of the 3 teams Vandy-BC and Sryacuse have lost too.
Vanderbuilt- South Carolina, Georgia, Northwestern. Syracuse- Northwestern, USC and at Minnesota. Boston College- Miami, Northwestern and Clemson.. Don't even tell me that Northwestern schedule is as tough as Iowa's schedule, that is laughable!!!!!
HawkeyeWalker
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I think I was talking about going one more level deep......THAT is where the answers are.
... but i'm not sure.... one thing is for sure in college football the records and strength of schedule are as accurate and mathematical equations when it comes to predicting future games.
HawkPrdatr40
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how funny, you actually said a whole lotta nothing, so I thought I would show you why these teams are not .500 at this point.
Since you like railing on them have a look at the yearly schedules.
Boston College Schedule:
| Scores & Schedule - All postseason broadcasts are subject to availability |
| Date | Opponent | Time/Result | Audio/Video | |
| Sat, Sep 1 | Miami (FL) | L 32-41 | -- | |
| Sat, Sep 8 | Maine | W 34-3 | -- | |
| Sat, Sep 15 | at Northwestern | L 13-22 | -- | |
| Sat, Sep 29 | (17) Clemson | L 31-45 | -- | |
| Sat, Oct 6 | at Army | 12:00 pm | -- | |
| Sat, Oct 13 | at (3) Florida State | 5:30 pm | -- | |
| Sat, Oct 20 | at Georgia Tech | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Oct 27 | Maryland | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Nov 3 | at Wake Forest | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Nov 10 | (9) Notre Dame | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Nov 17 | Virginia Tech | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Nov 24 | at North Carolina State | TBA |
Vanderbilt Schedule:
| Scores & Schedule - All postseason broadcasts are subject to availability |
| Date | Opponent | Time/Result | Audio/Video | |
| Thu, Aug 30 | (9) South Carolina | L 13-17 | -- | |
| Sat, Sep 8 | at Northwestern | L 13-23 | -- | |
| Sat, Sep 15 | Presbyterian | W 58-0 | -- | |
| Sat, Sep 22 | at (5) Georgia | L 3-48 | -- | |
| Sat, Oct 6 | at Missouri | 7:00 pm | -- | |
| Sat, Oct 13 | (10) Florida | 6:00 pm | -- | |
| Sat, Oct 20 | Auburn | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Oct 27 | Massachusetts | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Nov 3 | at Kentucky | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Nov 10 | at Mississippi | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Nov 17 | Tennessee | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Nov 24 | at Wake Forest | TBA | -- |
Sryacuse Schedule:
| Scores & Schedule - All postseason broadcasts are subject to availability |
| Date | Opponent | Time/Result | Audio/Video | |
| Sat, Sep 1 | Northwestern | L 41-42 | -- | |
| Sat, Sep 8 | (2) USC | L 29-42 | -- | |
| Sat, Sep 15 | Stony Brook | W 28-17 | -- | |
| Sat, Sep 22 | at Minnesota | L 10-17 | -- | |
| Fri, Oct 5 | Pittsburgh | 7:00 pm | -- | |
| Sat, Oct 13 | at (22) Rutgers | 12:00 pm | -- | |
| Fri, Oct 19 | Connecticut | 8:00 pm | -- | |
| Sat, Oct 27 | at South Florida | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Nov 3 | at Cincinnati | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Nov 10 | (19) Louisville | TBA | -- | |
| Sat, Nov 17 | at Missouri | TBA | -- | |
| Fri, Nov 23 | at Temple | TBA |
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I hate Fitz and NW as much as anyone,but I have to admit they are looking pretty solid so far this year.
Their defense is better,and now with Simean at QB and Kolter at all-purpose WR/RB,and that rb they have going well this year(Mark?) they have some very solid skill players....good receiving corp and rbs,and QBs.
Lets see how they fare at Happy Valley....hopefully the PSU physical defense will beat them down and maybe put a hurting on Kolter and Mark,both of whom are slightly built....then they go to Minny,and then host Nebraska...and then Iowa comes to town...by then they might be less sexy....lets hope so. This will be a very tough game, but if Iowa can dominate with a strong run game and keep the ball away, the Hawks can win,.
Their defense is better,and now with Simean at QB and Kolter at all-purpose WR/RB,and that rb they have going well this year(Mark?) they have some very solid skill players....good receiving corp and rbs,and QBs.
Lets see how they fare at Happy Valley....hopefully the PSU physical defense will beat them down and maybe put a hurting on Kolter and Mark,both of whom are slightly built....then they go to Minny,and then host Nebraska...and then Iowa comes to town...by then they might be less sexy....lets hope so. This will be a very tough game, but if Iowa can dominate with a strong run game and keep the ball away, the Hawks can win,.
kicker22
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HP40. I think you missed the key point where I also included their records from last year. The fact is that the only team out of these group of world class programs that play tough teams that finished last season with a winning record was South Dakota State. Regardless of who they played last year the fact is that they're not good teams. I wasn't going to go off of this years record because I'm aware of who they played. That said to try to shine these teams up and make them appear as anything but bottom feeders in their respective conferences to validate that NW has already proved something is a joke. Crap, no matter how decorated you want to make it is still crap.
kicker22
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No bad blood intended, dude. But regardless of the "what ifs", we're 3-2, they're 5-0. And they've played a schedule at least at tough as ours. Calling out a team that has clearly outplayed you seems a little ...well, I dunno.
How bout we just kick their arse in a few weeks and settle it.
I totally agree with this!!! I actually hope they continue to climb the rankings until we get to meet them. All I'm saying is that they have yet to prove themselves. Maybe pretenders was the wrong choice of words.
okeefe4prez
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Northwestern rolled into Lincoln and won last year. Without Dan Persa. They lost key players Dunsmore and Ebert, but Fitz has been quietly stockpiling very good skill position players on offense. They appear to me to be very deficient in the trenches and their secondary is awful. Their terrible secondary might not be too big of a liability because most of the QBs in the Big Ten are absolutely terrible this year. I suspect they'll get rolled in Happy Valley, but if they get out of there with a W, they will have a good shot to win 9 games, maybe even 10 with some luck. If they lose, they'll probably end up 7-5 (if we can beat them), but at least then they'll be in a bowl game they might be able to win. I shudder to think of what some of those upper tier SEC teams will do to them if they draw Outback or Capital One due to the general crappiness of the conference.
HawkPrdatr40
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Oh I saw that and it still don't matter. My point is that it is laughable to say that Iowa and Northwestern schedules are comparable, because they are not. How about you take Iowa and give them Vandy's or even Boston College Schedule this year and last and tell me how they do.. Is Iowa now a so called bottom feeders???
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kicker22
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Your right it doesn't matter. Because at no time in that post did I even compare Iowa's schedule to Northwesterns. What don't you get about the fact that this doesn't pertain to Iowa. Iowa is not the team that worked its way into the poll by starting the season 5-0. And further more, I hate to break it to you but just because a team is in a good/decent conference doesn't make them a better program. Ask ISU.
Keep throwing how poor you think Iowa is at me, because I don't care that was never part of my argument. I simply don't understand why the Hawks have to be pulled into it. Northwestern beat Indiana on Sat. to improve to 5-0 they haven't beat Iowa up so until they do it's a nonfactor regardless of how Iowa is playing.
HawkPrdatr40
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Then your missing the point of what was debated earlier and you might want to go back and re-read some posts.
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kicker22
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Um the point about the debate was whether or not NW was a "pretender" or not. That's what I've been commenting on and thats the only thing I've been reacting to. If you think it's funny for a fanbase thats 3-2 who lost to ISU and Central Michigan to call someone else a pretender thats cool, but the fact is this isn't about Iowa.
I give up and am willing to accept the fact that Vandy, Syracuse, Boston College, Indiana, and South Dakota are all wins that should elevate a program into the top 25 and make believers out of everyone. You're absolutely right and Vandy, Syracuse, Boston College, and Indiana have definitely earned their ranks among college footballs elite, regardless of the fact that their conferences are so amazingly good even their bottom feeders are dominant. You've made me a believer, how dare myself or anyone else question such an impressive resume.
This argument is absolutely rediculous. We'll agree to disagree. You win I'm done.
WinOneThisCentury
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I'm going to reiterate. Until they beat someone with a winning record, a team without a history of being a perennial loser, and a team that can play aggressive defense...I'll keep them where I think they are...Pretenders.
Why would I care if a doormat gets beat by a good team...they are still doormats, right? But the teams NW played played good teams...give me a break...they still got beat and are 1-3.
Why would I care if a doormat gets beat by a good team...they are still doormats, right? But the teams NW played played good teams...give me a break...they still got beat and are 1-3.
