Next year's rotation

most teams try to have an 8 man rotation (at least) - usually slow down teams. 9 man rotations are for teams that are running a little more up and down tempo but not wide open. 10-12 man rotations are for teams that want to run every chance they get. as a bball coach i can tell you it isnt as hard as it sounds and since we dont really have 1 dominant player but more of a balance it will be ok. when i played our hs team ran a 10 and 11 man rotation because we pressed and ran all game long.

right now fran is running an 8-9 man rotation because we dont have the bodies down low. usually in up tempo offense the bigs are the ones that need more depth because they cant run for as long. next year we will be 5 or 6 (basabe, white, mccabe, woodbury,meyer and possibly olaseni) deep at 4 & 5. right now they are running 3 solid 4 & 5 men (basabe, white, mccabe) and 2 below average guys (brommer, archie).

again white is a tweener. he is a sf and pf combo. he cant really play long times at either position but can make match up problems for each. he will play both but i think a little more at the 4 (which is what he is doing this year).
 
Foval21 said:
most teams try to have an 8 man rotation (at least) - usually slow down teams. 9 man rotations are for teams that are running a little more up and down tempo but not wide open. 10-12 man rotations are for teams that want to run every chance they get. as a bball coach i can tell you it isnt as hard as it sounds and since we dont really have 1 dominant player but more of a balance it will be ok. when i played our hs team ran a 10 and 11 man rotation because we pressed and ran all game long.

right now fran is running an 8-9 man rotation because we dont have the bodies down low. usually in up tempo offense the bigs are the ones that need more depth because they cant run for as long. next year we will be 5 or 6 (basabe, white, mccabe, woodbury,meyer and possibly olaseni) deep at 4 & 5. right now they are running 3 solid 4 & 5 men (basabe, white, mccabe) and 2 below average guys (brommer, archie).

again white is a tweener. he is a sf and pf combo. he cant really play long times at either position but can make match up problems for each. he will play both but i think a little more at the 4 (which is what he is doing this year).
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Coaching fifth grade basketball is a little different than D-1. Hardly any teams go more than 9 deep. UNC runs as much as any big time program and they go 8 deep. We're not going to go 11-12 deep, that's just ridiculous.
 
Yeah actually a lot of slow down teams go about 7 or 8 deep and a lot of balanced tempo teams like UNC also go 7or8 deep. Iowa actually goes pretty deep for college ball with the 9or10 man rotation they use.
 
White is not quick enough to play the 3, just like Marble is not the shooter one would like at the 2, at this moment in their careers.
 
With respect to Meyer, Clemmons and Ingram, all three are playing against much better competition on any given night than in state kids see in their high school careers. There will be an adjustment period, but IMO, not as sharp of a curve as we have seen with other recruits. You can't coach quickness and hops--two attributes sorely lacking on our current roster.
 
TheeHawkeye said:
I love how people assume that woodbury and gessel are gonna start when we haven't even seen them in a college game.
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I think it's more the case that there's no one else to put in there as the starter, unless Marble is the point. It's safe to assume that, out of the guys we're bringing in, they will be the best at their positions. If it's not the case, so be it. We don't return a 1 or a 5 that are getting significant minutes. Unless Marble plays the point next year or we don't look to start a true 5, I think it's a strong possibility they both start.
 
1. Gesell/Clemmons/Ingram

2. Marble/Oglesby/May/Ingram

3. White/May/McCabe

4. McCabe/Basabe/Meyer

5. Basabe/Woodbury/Olaseni/Meyer


With as much as McCabe has improved this year, and the fact that he is starting right now, It is hard for me not to have him starting next year. (at least at the beginning of the year) I have high expectations for Woodbury, but I just don't see him starting right away. You may see Marble Starting at PG and Oglesby or May Starting at the 2 as well.
 
hawkIhoops said:
With respect to Meyer, Clemmons and Ingram, all three are playing against much better competition on any given night than in state kids see in their high school careers. There will be an adjustment period, but IMO, not as sharp of a curve as we have seen with other recruits. You can't coach quickness and hops--two attributes sorely lacking on our current roster.
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Woodbury and Gesell play against the best of the best every summer in AAU. The adjustment period for those two is not going to differ from the other three because they are playing their high school ball in Iowa and Nebraska.

And I agree that the infusion of athleticism this class brings is going to be huge. We will finally have 12 or 13 guys that are pretty legit D1 basketball players.
 
I am surprised how few of you have white starting next year. I don't see how we can keep him out of the starting line up next season.
 
drew003 said:
I hijacked another threat to say this, so I might as well say it here too: White is not a wing player (at least for any substantial minutes). We are far more versatile playing three true perimeter players alongside White. We get faster, more athletic, better ballhandling, and better shooting. We are fare more skilled and harder to guard. White is good run-jump athlete for a post player, he has nice perimeter skills for a post, and has nice ball-handling for a post. As a wing, White is never going to be a perimeter drive-drive threat, absent a wide-open seam to the bucket. White doesn't change directions with his dribble very well, and if there is anything Eric May has taught us, its that 18 year old kids don't suddenly learn to dribble the ball the dramatically better by age 21. His shooting is just average as well.

Defensively, he is big enough to guard most "power forwards" in the Big 10, quick enough to hedge on ball screens, heck maybe even switch straight up in the right match-ups. But as a wing, he lacks lateral quickness. He won't be able to pressure the ball, because his man will blow by him. A good ballhandler would get White so off balance in isolation situations, they could easily get separation for a jumper for get White to foul them. Can you imagine White guarding Marble? It would get ugly.

White just needs to work on defensive rebounding position, maybe develop a go-to post move, and keep refining his shooting skills. He would have a very well-rounded offensive game. Defensively he is big enough to guard most "power forwards" in the Big 10, quick enough to hedge on ball screens, heck maybe even switch straight up in the right match-ups.

My rant is over. I really just don't like White playing many minutes on the wing.
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sioux34 said:
I am surprised how few of you have white starting next year. I don't see how we can keep him out of the starting line up next season.
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Agreed. Judging by the talent we have coming in and performance this year coupled with improvement from last year I would love a starting lineup of:

PG: Gesell
SG: Marble
SF: White
PF: McCabe
C: Woodbury
 
I don't see anyway that we start two freshmen next year....at least not at the beginning of the year. Here's where I see the starting lineup beginning the year:

PG - Marble
SG - Oglesby
SF - White
PF - McCabe
C - Basabe

Eventually I see Woodbury cracking the starting rotation and Basabe moving to PF with McCabe being the first guy off the bench. Gessell will sub for Marble, May will sub for White, Ingram will sub for Oglesby. Clemmons will be in the mix some as well.

But in no way do I see Fran starting the year with two freshmen in the starting rotation.
 
SpiderRico said:
I don't see anyway that we start two freshmen next year....at least not at the beginning of the year. Here's where I see the starting lineup beginning the year:

PG - Marble
SG - Oglesby
SF - White
PF - McCabe
C - Basabe

Eventually I see Woodbury cracking the starting rotation and Basabe moving to PF with McCabe being the first guy off the bench. Gessell will sub for Marble, May will sub for White, Ingram will sub for Oglesby. Clemmons will be in the mix some as well.

But in no way do I see Fran starting the year with two freshmen in the starting rotation.
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I highly doubt Oglesby starts, and I could easily see Basabe losing his starting spot too. One of Gessell and Woodbury will start from day one, and probably both by the end of the year.
 
as it has been pointed out in the past bigs take longer to adjust, so Woodbury not starting would not be that big a surprise, but he will get playing time,
with Gesell/Clemmons being a pg will be the one to start. Marble has been a surprise at the pt, but he is still playing out of position, the best thing by playing the point it will make him that much harder to defend when he switches to the 2, that gives us 2 very good ball handlers on the court at the same time that can bring the ball up, especially if Gesell is as good as advertised. White is a 3 and will play the 3.
once next years class gets here the need to play people out of position is done. now the players will be used to create the mismatches.
 
Agree and disagree section 136. I am not taking away from Woodbury and Gessell have accomplished on the AAU circuit, but notice there is no "D" in AAU. No doubt they have played high level competition over the summers, but what they see night in night out in Iowa and Nebraska does not come close to what Clemmons, Ingram and Meyer see in Indy, Lansing and ATL. Look what Linn Mar did to Gessell's team with Paige and a kid going to Albany.
 
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