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hawkeye12345

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Cartwright
Marble
Gatens
Basabe
Cole


Screw the fact that Cartwright will need a breather at some point, it's time to get Marble in the game more and let him learn the position that he will be playing next year. Let one of the walkons take over at point when the opportunity presents itself (before official TOs, just before half, change of pace). There would also be some opportunity to let Marble run the point if the breaks and PT hit right. May can come in and spell Marble for 2-4, Marble can come in and spell Cartwright. A lot of other teams run their players 35+ minutes, there is no reason we can't do the same.

Marble deserves to start and May brings very little to the table imo.
 
I like it. May could be better coming off the bench.

And in a related matter: I wonder why Fran doesn't get Stoermer a few minutes every game in relief of Gatens, especially when Matt's shot isn't going down. Stoermer can shoot it, as he's shown every time he's had the chance. It might have made sense to get Stoermer into the game for those last few seconds when the Badgers were at the free throw line. That would give Iowa another legit 3-point option besides Gatens. IMHO.

Finally, Fran and staff have a done a super job of coaching, as most agree. I LOVE the NO TIMEOUTS at the end of regulation and in OT vs. Wisconsin. Coach 'em up and let 'em play. It makes for better basketball and better basketball players. Iowa already knows what it's supposed to do, and without a TO it prevents the defense from getting set.
 
hawkeye12345 said:
Marble deserves to start and May brings very little to the table imo.
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Are you serious? I am all for getting Marble some minutes at that position, but May isn't just a scorer. The fact that we can put him on the best player for the other team and shut them down is huge. He hasn't been getting the points like he did last year, but he is still scoring (When his dunks go in) but most importantly keeping points off the board for the other team.
 
Gotta agree w/ Casey on this one. I think we live in the Madden/NBA2K, etc... generation. It's fun to think of lineups and tinker w/ them as fans; however, May is the best athlete on our team and a seriously good defender. Marble's time will come. Having options (more depth) and playing better defense is why the Hawks are competitive lately. Lineup stays the same. No chance as a coach anything changes.
 
hawkeye12345 said:
Cartwright
Marble
Gatens
Basabe
Cole


Screw the fact that Cartwright will need a breather at some point, it's time to get Marble in the game more and let him learn the position that he will be playing next year. Let one of the walkons take over at point when the opportunity presents itself (before official TOs, just before half, change of pace). There would also be some opportunity to let Marble run the point if the breaks and PT hit right. May can come in and spell Marble for 2-4, Marble can come in and spell Cartwright. A lot of other teams run their players 35+ minutes, there is no reason we can't do the same.

Marble deserves to start and May brings very little to the table imo.
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You do realize that May was the reason had a two game winning streak. His problem is that he is a great athlete with little baskeball experience. He bring very good D to the floor and if he would just have the confidence to take the shot once in a while he would be solid. Marble is also very inconsistant and every coach in America is questioned as to why he or she plays certain players and not others. Marble needs at least 20 min. a game or more. Stoermer is also a great option from a scoring standpoint and he can spell more than one player. Going back to May, your statement in way off base.
 
RADMAN said:
You do realize that May was the reason had a two game winning streak. His problem is that he is a great athlete with little baskeball experience. He bring very good D to the floor and if he would just have the confidence to take the shot once in a while he would be solid. Marble is also very inconsistant and every coach in America is questioned as to why he or she plays certain players and not others. Marble needs at least 20 min. a game or more. Stoermer is also a great option from a scoring standpoint and he can spell more than one player. Going back to May, your statement in way off base.
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Marble needs to play more. You can split the time between Cartwright, Gattens, and May......

Stoermer is limited defensively, limited ball handler, limited athletically....is a good shooter though. He makes the team better in many ways, especially during practice, etc., but shouldn't be getting minutes from any of the starters. I will always support Hawkeyes, even the walk ons, as they have a place and role on the team. I hope this doesn't come across as a shot at Stoermer, as it isn't intended that way.....
 
All I know about Stoermer is that he's a walk-on and can shoot the three. I'm not saying he should play major minutes, but I am suggesting it might be good to get him four or five minutes a game, and certainly have him on the floor in situations -- like the last 8 seconds or so of the OT vs. Wisconsin -- when the opposition knows we need a three and, without Stoermer, we only have one legitimate threat on the floor (Gatens).

How would those who know compare Stoermer's ball handling and defensive skills to those of former Hawkeye 3-point star Kent McCausland, who was also "limited athletically" but who did a heckuva job with those skills he did possess.
 
iowamike21 said:
I like it. May could be better coming off the bench.

And in a related matter: I wonder why Fran doesn't get Stoermer a few minutes every game in relief of Gatens, especially when Matt's shot isn't going down. Stoermer can shoot it, as he's shown every time he's had the chance. It might have made sense to get Stoermer into the game for those last few seconds when the Badgers were at the free throw line. That would give Iowa another legit 3-point option besides Gatens. IMHO.

Finally, Fran and staff have a done a super job of coaching, as most agree. I LOVE the NO TIMEOUTS at the end of regulation and in OT vs. Wisconsin. Coach 'em up and let 'em play. It makes for better basketball and better basketball players. Iowa already knows what it's supposed to do, and without a TO it prevents the defense from getting set.
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Agree with OP about the new starting lineup. Also agree with your point about Stoermer. I like the kid and we desperately need someone that can knock down a couple of threes or at least shoot them with some confidence. Stoermer isn't going to set the world on fire, but it is odd why he has been nailed to the bench since the Purdue blowout.
 
I also agree that Stoermer should get some minutes. Not major minutes, but 5-6 isn't even close to major minutes, and when he gets hot, he can give you plenty in 5-6 minutes. He's limited athletically, but he plays with heart and determination. Depending on the matchup, he can make up for not being as athletic as the man he's guarding.

And May definitely needs to be starting. He's way too good defensively to not play most of the game, and his dunks/blocks really get the crowd into the game at home, and shuts it up on the road.
 
tm3308 said:
I also agree that Stoermer should get some minutes. Not major minutes, but 5-6 isn't even close to major minutes, and when he gets hot, he can give you plenty in 5-6 minutes. He's limited athletically, but he plays with heart and determination. Depending on the matchup, he can make up for not being as athletic as the man he's guarding.

And May definitely needs to be starting. He's way too good defensively to not play most of the game, and his dunks/blocks really get the crowd into the game at home, and shuts it up on the road.
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The problem with this is that 5 minutes doesn't really give Stoermer a chance to heat up or get into a rhythm. Taking an ice-cold guy off the bench and asking him to hit clutch threes is a tough assignment for any player, and since that's all that Stoermer really gives the team, it would really be a feast-or-famine type thing. Unlike Gatens, he isn't going to get to the free throw line, and he's nowhere near the defender that May, McCabe, or Marble is.

I think the way that Fran has shortened and defined the rotation is one of the keys of the team's recent success. To me, whether or not a guy gets 11 minutes or 15 minutes is less important than if he knows when those minutes are going to come and is able to feel comfortable in the flow of the game.
 
olivecourt said:
The problem with this is that 5 minutes doesn't really give Stoermer a chance to heat up or get into a rhythm. Taking an ice-cold guy off the bench and asking him to hit clutch threes is a tough assignment for any player, and since that's all that Stoermer really gives the team, it would really be a feast-or-famine type thing. Unlike Gatens, he isn't going to get to the free throw line, and he's nowhere near the defender that May, McCabe, or Marble is.

I think the way that Fran has shortened and defined the rotation is one of the keys of the team's recent success. To me, whether or not a guy gets 11 minutes or 15 minutes is less important than if he knows when those minutes are going to come and is able to feel comfortable in the flow of the game.
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I don't know. Didn't Bo Ryan bring a walk-on off the bench to nail a 3 that killed us? Its a rhetorical question. If the kid can shoot, the kid can shoot. I'm not an advocate of giving this kid too many minutes but my reason for using him was to give Marble the opportunity to move to the wing position. Right now Marble sits on the bench until Cartwright needs a blow....oh man that could go in a lot of directions. If Stoermer could pick up a few minutes here and there to give Cartwright a break then Marble could move to the wing..
 
hawkeye12345 said:
I don't know. Didn't Bo Ryan bring a walk-on off the bench to nail a 3 that killed us? Its a rhetorical question. If the kid can shoot, the kid can shoot. I'm not an advocate of giving this kid too many minutes but my reason for using him was to give Marble the opportunity to move to the wing position. Right now Marble sits on the bench until Cartwright needs a blow....oh man that could go in a lot of directions. If Stoermer could pick up a few minutes here and there to give Cartwright a break then Marble could move to the wing..
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I can't remember which game it was, but Stoermer also came off the bench and scored 5 quick points earlier in the BT season. Gave us a shot in the arm.
 
I'm not sure who I want in the starting line up. If our players played more consistently we all could have a better feeling of who needs to be on the floor. May is out best defender which helps, but there are games offensively that he just disappears. Gatens is such a streaky shooter. We need him on the floor for the good games, we just need him to be more consistent. Offensively, I think Marble has more potential than either of these guys. I would like to see him get more minutes at the wing spot and I think you will see this next year as we will have a backup PG.
 
McCabe's 3PT% to date is higher than Stoermer's. I don't see Stoermer getting minutes if McCabe is available.
 
What do you think taking may out of the starting line up will do to his confidence? I like the line up as is, mainly because I don't think may would give us much off of the bench, and marble has been a nice spark for us off it.
 
Just thought I would bump this. It's obvious why.

Fran - anytime you need a little more help you just need to call. Keep up the good work.
 
It's not a bad idea to have May come off the bench. Let's see how he reacts. Some players do better off the bench. I am not sure why? Maybe it is because they can settle into the game easier? They can pickup a feel for the game before they get in? You can study your opponent some from the sidelines too.

Regardless, I think it would be something to try. Give Marble more experience at starting, and see what May can do off the bench. It can't hurt this season, and only can help for next.

btw- I do like that lineup...
 
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