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There were 2 big problems with offense this year
Shallow rb and a QB who had success taking chances last year and this year turned into Jake Christensen taking a sack instead of taking a chance at a pass!
The gunslinger of 09 turned into a QB afaid to make a mistake! KOK didn't play a down. If you think KOK is to blame-His play calling won 11 games last year!
Shallow rb and a QB who had success taking chances last year and this year turned into Jake Christensen taking a sack instead of taking a chance at a pass!
The gunslinger of 09 turned into a QB afaid to make a mistake! KOK didn't play a down. If you think KOK is to blame-His play calling won 11 games last year!
blkngoldUofI
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If KF wants to continue to be 7-5 and protect his coaches then he will stay conservative. I don't think they need to go crazy and become a spread offense throwing the ball 60 times but they need to do a better job of using the weapons they had or have. Just imagine an offense that consistently scored 28-35 points a game to go along with a defense that has been damn good the last 10 years. While Iowa was scoring 17, 18 and 17 against NW, IU and Minny......Wisconsin was scoring 41, 83 and 70.
I don't have a problem with the scheme KF wants to run, nor do I get too upset about the overall conservatism. The problem I have is with the perpetual game and clock mismanagement by O'Keefe. You can play conservatively without wasted timeouts and delay of game penalties. Just my opinion.
blkngoldUofI
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Stanzi was never a gunslinger, he made a boat load of bad reads last year. Most of his INT's from last year were to throws to the flat which isn't exactly slinging it around.
RB was not the issue either, Iowa still got good production from that position both in running the ball and recieving.
Stanzi was never forced to "take a sack" he was sacked. WTF can a QB do if he doesn't have time. There were a few times it was o Ricky but for the most part he wasn't taking a sack.
KOK had Bret Farve last year and Trent Dilfer this year. I cant wait to see how great a fantastic passer like Vandenberg will do. Much better than Stanzi. There were drops but more passes behind & over than drops. Sorry he didn't give SOPH more pt. Not really an option to change up and rally team when you have lead late then give it up. Kirk has always favored veterans over youth. that is why they stay most of the time.
Rb not issue-who lost ball on last offensive play in MINN
That was a fear all year. Arob was ball security and when you dont have option b RB is Shallow
Stanzi became a safer passer, but it seemed to affect his ability to hit receivers, especially on deeper routes. I forget which game it was, but on three or four deep passes, he threw it far enough outside on the sidelines that when DJK and McNutt caught it, there were stepping out of bounds.
Sometimes, you just need to take the risk and let your receivers make the catch. Unfortunately, they themselves weren't always as sure handed as you'd like...
Sometimes, you just need to take the risk and let your receivers make the catch. Unfortunately, they themselves weren't always as sure handed as you'd like...
blkngoldUofI
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LMAO. One fumble and now it's a ball security issue? Go back and watch the play again, Coker was switching the ball and never got it locked back in to where it should have been. One fumble.
1977Hawkeye
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The fumble you speak of came late in the game when we were already behind - how were we losing to a 1-9 team in the first place?
blkngoldUofI
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You walking on next year because you make it sound so easy to put a ball just where it needs to be. Stanzi had some issues but he was not a safer passer, maybe a smarter passer...............hence that is why his TD numbers were up and his INT numbers were down.
The WR also has a say to where the ball is to be thrown on a sideline route. If the WR is to close to the sideline he doesn't stand a chance. It doesn't all fall on the QB.
All it takes is one fumble! I feel bad for him, but that was a run for a first down! I was expecting the last second win we had been waiting for all year! in every loss Hawks had ball and a chance to retake lead. No one beat hawks with last second play. Hawks beat MSU on last play of game in 09. Thst was the element Iowa missed this year no last secound heroics. I have heard all complaining about d but I beleive they held Opponents to season low to every one but MINN
The D was definetly tired at the end of that game, and that happens because Hawks had no ball control Offense which is the basis for a "conservative" offense
The D was definetly tired at the end of that game, and that happens because Hawks had no ball control Offense which is the basis for a "conservative" offense
jameskalina
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The fumble did not beat the Hawks. It was a team effort. I give Coker credit for trying to make some plays when the holes were not there. He played a great game.
As for the defense being tired, it's Norm Parker who said, "put out the fire" anytime the defense is called in.
zhawkzrule
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AMEN!!! that fumble did not lose the game, it was lost before that, should have never been in a spot to have to come from behind against that team.
I'll agree the O is run conservatively because thats what KF wants, and I'll agree at times it works, but there's situations that are so obvious where things aren't working or wont work and most people can tell exactly what the next play is going to be run, if we can tell then the opposing team can as well and there were several statements after the NW game about that fact. Its not wholesale changes, but its time for some changes to be made in formations, play calling etc.
You can be conservative, take care of the football, and still be creative and effective. Our play-calling has been less-than-inspired for some time now. KOK's *job* is to make the offense effective (get into the endzone) and he is failing, badly. Unless you are telling me that you think KF is actually calling the plays, KOK needs to go. And if KF is calling the plays, there is no reason to keep KOK, is there?
This. There are many ways and styles in which to win a game. Iowa has proved this in past years beating more talented opponents. What is inexcusable is the consistently bad time management, inability to surprise the opponent/make adjustments and 2 minute decision making from the booth. All on the Coaching.
Random question, but for the past few years, I've noticed that Iowa rarely, if ever, gets to the line with anything more than 10-15 seconds on the play clock, and often doesn't get the play off until the play clock is well on the way to hitting zero. Why is that?
Do we just want to spend more time getting ready for a play and read the defense? This would be fine, but sometimes I feel that the panic in getting the play off before the delay of game penalty offsets this a bit, and may lead to false starts, fumbles or blown plays.
If somebody with better knowledge of coaching and football could respond to this, it would be great.
Do we just want to spend more time getting ready for a play and read the defense? This would be fine, but sometimes I feel that the panic in getting the play off before the delay of game penalty offsets this a bit, and may lead to false starts, fumbles or blown plays.
If somebody with better knowledge of coaching and football could respond to this, it would be great.
Igothawked
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This is a problem I see too. I really don't know the explanation and would be happy to hear somebody else's thoughts. But the clock management of the entire game was horrible all year and has been horrible in the past. The misuse of timeouts, spiking the ball when you shouldn't, ineffective throws in the 2 minute drill, not really having a defined two minute drill, etc, etc.
The other issue I have is just the play calling as a whole. It is very predictable. First down, either play action deep pass or zone run play. 2nd down is nearly always a run play in this offense. I would love to see what percentage of 2nd down plays were runs as opposed to passes. This team constantly got behind themselves on down and distance. 3rd and 7 or longer. If they ran on first down and got stuffed, they would try it again and get a couple of yards, 3rd and 8. Incomplete pass on 1st down, run the ball on 2nd, 3rd and 6 or 7. Staying ahead of the down and distance is such an easy way to control the ball. Your conversion rate of 3rd and 5 or shorter is 50% or greater, your conversion rate of 3rd and 6 or more drops down to 25%. The deep passes on 1st down hurts you in down and distance. I don't dislike the deep passes, but the timing of them when they are incomplete killed several drives this year.
This is just my perspective, but if you watch successful offenses in college or the NFL they are throwing quick passes on 1st or 2nd downs, they are getting 4-7 yards a crack. 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 5 allows you to open up your play book a heck of a lot more than 2nd and 9 or 3rd and 9. This is something this team rarely does. Whether thats on KOK or KF, I don't know, but its another something to think about.
