New celebration rule-does Iowa lose v. MSU in 09???

The reason no penalty was called against MSU was because the game had ended.

No, the game had not ended - regulation had ended, but the game was not over. Iowa still had to attempt a conversion. I was there. I remember it like it was yesterday. They cleared everyone off the field and we lined up in a QB kneel formation. If they had called a penalty, that snap would have been 15 yards back and in the event of a fumble and MSU recovery, 15 yards closer to paydirt for Sparty to tie the game. Maybe you should watch a sport with less complicated rules than football, such as NECKCAR.
 
But in this case it wouldn't work. OK4P is the antagonist in this thread, but he's the one who's wrong. Nobody would stick up for him like we did for WhitUp in the Coker Thread.

No, I'm not wrong. The game WAS NOT OVER. A bobbled QB/Center exchange and MSU could have tied the game. Had Stanzi fumbled the snap and MSU returned it to the 5 yard line, this would have been the worst no-call in the history of sports. It's 1 in a million for such an event to happen, but how many times has a team blocked two FGs in a row? The officials need to enforce the rules and we should have been flagged on that play, but the TD would have stood unless the Terry Stross celebration a millisecond before McNutt crossed the plane is enough to trigger a call under the new rules.
 
I don't know why the officials didn't call a penalty on Iowa for the MSU game, but as far as having to attempt the 'try down' as the XP/2pt conversion are officially called, I think OK4P is right.

(Note: emphasis is mine)
The ball shall be put in play by the team that scored a six-point
touchdown. If a touchdown is scored during a down in which time in the
fourth period expires, the try shall not be attempted unless the point(s)
would affect the outcome of the game.
Rule 8, Section 3, Article 2a of the NCAA Football 2009-2010 Rules and Interpretations
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR09.pdf

During the MSU game, the score was 9-13 before the score. We scored a touchdown, making the score 15-13. If, for whatever reason, we had screwed up the snap or kick or what-have-you, and MSU had run it back for a safety, the score would have been 15-15 at the end of regulation and we would have gone into OT. During the LSU game (aside from the fact that the rulebook may have been different), IIRC we ended up leading by more than 3 points. Had LSU somehow scored a safety on the try down, it wouldn't have been enough to win or force a tie.

As far as the celebration issue goes, interestingly, it seems to be the 2009-2010 rulebook where they mention perhaps making the rule that we are discussing; celebrating before crossing the plane of the goal-line would negate a score. To watch the video again, I don't think Stross (?) celebrates until McNutt is well across the goal-line and has taken a couple steps. Granted, McNutt could still have dropped the ball, and the official hadn't yet indicated a touchdown, so I suppose the play was still live. However, it happened so quick that I doubt an official would have called Stross for excessive celebration or unsportsmanlike conduct. Also, Stross wasn't taunting, etc.

As for a penalty for the celebration that delayed the try down? There probably should have been one, as there was for the PSU game. I've not gone through the entire rulebook, as there is a lot in there, but a cursory search yields the following interpretation:

SECTION 2. Unsportsmanlike Conduct Fouls
Unsportsmanlike Acts—ARTICLE 1
Approved Ruling 9-2-1
I. Team B scores a touchdown on a kickoff return, and substitutes from
the Team B area, with no intention of entering the game, run to the
end zone to congratulate the ball carrier. RULING: Unsportsmanlike
act. Penalty—15 yards, enforced on the try or the succeeding kickoff.

Officials should note the numbers of the offending players, for
possible disqualification later in the game upon committing a second
unsportsmanlike conduct foul (9-2-1-a-Penalty).
Note that it is for a kickoff return, but I think it applies to any sort of TD scored (really, if you search for either 'celebration' or 'congratulate', it gives you this one rule). While many of the players congratulating McNutt were on the field and not 'substitutes', you had most of the team out there (as well as the media, IIRC). And as we've stated, the game wasn't over because we still had to go for the try. Theoretically, we should have been penalized.

That said, there are a lot of rules in the rule book, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were exceptions to rules with regard to others, etc. Perhaps somebody who knows more about the rulebook can chime in.
 
No, I'm not wrong. The game WAS NOT OVER. A bobbled QB/Center exchange and MSU could have tied the game. Had Stanzi fumbled the snap and MSU returned it to the 5 yard line, this would have been the worst no-call in the history of sports. It's 1 in a million for such an event to happen, but how many times has a team blocked two FGs in a row? The officials need to enforce the rules and we should have been flagged on that play, but the TD would have stood unless the Terry Stross celebration a millisecond before McNutt crossed the plane is enough to trigger a call under the new rules.

Northwestern should have been flagged? Why?
 
It seems 99% of the time an excessive celebration or "taunting" call is ridiculous. I understand if a player is verbally abusing the opponent, but usually it's a player(s) or team celebrating in their triumph. It's part of the game. How come there aren't any excessive celebration penalties in non-team sports? Because a tennis player hitting their knees and throwing their racket after winning a match is simply considered a normal human response to the thrill of competition.

If a guy is about to score, and ultimately does, then those points shouldn't be taken off. EVER. It reflects the fact that his team is better than the other. Maybe he has less class, but this isn't an etiquette competition, it's football.
 
It seems 99% of the time an excessive celebration or "taunting" call is ridiculous. I understand if a player is verbally abusing the opponent, but usually it's a player(s) or team celebrating in their triumph. It's part of the game. How come there aren't any excessive celebration penalties in non-team sports? Because a tennis player hitting their knees and throwing their racket after winning a match is simply considered a normal human response to the thrill of competition.

If a guy is about to score, and ultimately does, then those points shouldn't be taken off. EVER. It reflects the fact that his team is better than the other. Maybe he has less class, but this isn't an etiquette competition, it's football.

Sportsmanship IS part of the game, or at least it's supposed to be. I know when I was playing, it wasn't hard to celebrate without being excessive, and high school rules are even more strict than college in that regard. Toss/hand the ball to the ref and celebrate with your teammates. It really isn't hard to do.
 
Sportsmanship IS part of the game, or at least it's supposed to be. I know when I was playing, it wasn't hard to celebrate without being excessive, and high school rules are even more strict than college in that regard. Toss/hand the ball to the ref and celebrate with your teammates. It really isn't hard to do.

Sportsmanship is definitely part of the game, especially at the amateur level (though whether college football is really amateur....). Anyway, like you said, it is pretty easy to celebrate without being excessive. If you aren't pointing at the crowd, flipping off your opponents, or being an all-around dick, you are usually allowed to celebrate. I mean, really in the Iowa-MSU or Iowa-PSU cases, for example, the issue wasn't the celebration, but rather the interruption of the game.

Has the excessive celebration rule been abused? Yes. Will it be poorly interpreted and enforced by refs in the future? Probably. However, is it a bad rule to have? I don't think so.
 
Sportsmanship IS part of the game, or at least it's supposed to be. I know when I was playing, it wasn't hard to celebrate without being excessive, and high school rules are even more strict than college in that regard. Toss/hand the ball to the ref and celebrate with your teammates. It really isn't hard to do.


I think there's a difference between sportsmanship and excessive celebration. There certainly needs to be a penalty in place to keep players in line. Otherwise the game will morph into something ugly, with players doing some really nasty things. So long as refs are very liberal in enforcing the penalties, there shouldn't be a problem. Recognize celebration-even somewhat excessive-but don't penalize. Blatant disrespect should be penalized.

Wasn't it the Georgia coach a couple years ago that had the entire team run onto the field after a score and dance around? That should DEFINITELY be penalized.
 
But in this case it wouldn't work. OK4P is the antagonist in this thread, but he's the one who's wrong. Nobody would stick up for him like we did for WhitUp in the Coker Thread.

Meh, I don't have a dog in this fight.... just want to be able to yell that phrase whenever possible. ;)
 
i see everyone keeps bringing up pointing at the crowd. i seem to remember tyler sash pointing at the crowd as he crossed the goalline against indiana in 09 after his pinball interception. IIRC, that wasn't flagged, nor should it have been
 
You slob, after a TD, a team doesn't have to attempt the conversion. You don't even know the rules. In the Outback Bowl Iowa did not attempt a conversion against LSU.

Notice that a year earlier Iowa was penalized against Penn State for the celebration after Murray's kick. The reason no penalty was called against MSU was because the game had ended. It was no different than everybody storming the field after Houghtlin's kick.

As an ignorant Northwestern troll, you probably don't even know why Iowa had to attempt the conversion.

Northwestern, the only Big Ten team to not have won a bowl game since WW II. Your are such an obnoxious fool. I wish, just once, you would post something halfway intelligent.

How about you get the name of the bowl game right before you lose your mind next time? :D
 
A generation ago, you'd see a quick expression of joy for plays that meant something - a touchdown, a sack, a hard hit. Then it was quickly back to business.

Now you have a league full of show-boaters trying to get their highlights on SportsCenter or YouTube. I don't think we need to see you do your 20 second celebration dance after picking up a 2rd and 1 in your own territory, Sparky.

If you want to know why these rules are necessary, just watch the opening sequence to the movie Baseketball. As silly as that seems, it's not that far off from the truth.
 
The game against MSU in I think it was 85 or 86 where chuck long rolled out and ran 5 yards for the winning touchdown, that td wouldn't have counted if this new rule was in place cuz long raised the ball in the air before crossing the goal line. This rule sucks, I just hate how it could effect the outcome if a game.
 

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