Nebby fan is delusional

ChosenChildren

ChosenChildren

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I just had an exchange with a Nebraska fan. He started talking about them winning another national championship. I told him he ought to start with trying to beat Iowa.

Here is a fact he wasn't aware of:

Nebraska overall record since joining Big Ten starting with 2011 season: 60 wins 43 losses
Iowa during that same period: 63 wins 42 losses

Nebraska record v. Iowa since joining the Big Ten: 3 W 5L
 
ChosenChildren said:
I just had an exchange with a Nebraska fan. He started talking about them winning another national championship. I told him he ought to start with trying to beat Iowa.

Here is a fact he wasn't aware of:

Nebraska overall record since joining Big Ten starting with 2011 season: 60 wins 43 losses
Iowa during that same period: 63 wins 42 losses

Nebraska record v. Iowa since joining the Big Ten: 3 W 5L
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I sure wish that 63-42 record was better, though. There were a lot of B1G division titles there for the taking over those 8 years, and we only got one (2015). Wisconsin has been better, plain and simple; NW has been our equal (Nebraska isn't even in the conversation).

But where I differ from many is this point: many want KF punished for under-performing (at least vs. the standard set by Wisconsin) over the last 8 years, without giving thought to the direction of the program. The last 8 years is over, and firing KF now does nothing to change it. The question is, which course of action is most likely to lead to future improvement, retaining the coach, or firing the coach?

I think we have seen enough evolution over the past few seasons, and seen enough indicators (recruiting, NFL talent development, national ranking in important metrics such as this or this) trending upward, that I am very optimistic.
 
I guess I should add, the point of my post is that I wish Iowa had been dominant enough that we could really rub it in Nebraska's face. But while we have been demonstrably better, we still have not been great, so I don't think we are in a place to look down our noses, otherwise we become what they say we are: a program that is satisfied with being pretty good. I really hope we have a few GREAT years coming up, that would really enhance the gloat.
 
CP87 said:
I guess I should add, the point of my post is that I wish Iowa had been dominant enough that we could really rub it in Nebraska's face. But while we have been demonstrably better, we still have not been great, so I don't think we are in a place to look down our noses, otherwise we become what they say we are: a program that is satisfied with being pretty good. I really hope we have a few GREAT years coming up, that would really enhance the gloat.
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Are you a closet Fusker fan? You seem like the type....
 
CP87 said:
I guess I should add, the point of my post is that I wish Iowa had been dominant enough that we could really rub it in Nebraska's face. But while we have been demonstrably better, we still have not been great, so I don't think we are in a place to look down our noses, otherwise we become what they say we are: a program that is satisfied with being pretty good. I really hope we have a few GREAT years coming up, that would really enhance the gloat.
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The original post is primarily about the delusional state of mind of the typical Nebraska fan. The vast majority of them believed they would stomp on the Big Ten (not just Iowa) when they joined and I would venture that most of them still think the way of this particular Nebraska fan. It’s not so much about Iowa, we haven’t changed much; it’s about Nebraska fans being completely out to lunch. Iowa fans have not pretended to look down our noses at Nebraska, but Nebraska fans still looking down their noses at Iowa (and the Big Ten in general) is hysterical (although beating them 5 out of the past 6 years is giving us some ammunition).
 
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Not sure delusional is the right adjective. The expectation level is not commensurate with the new college football environment so naive may better describe the passionate Nebraska fan. The circumstances since T Osborne coached Nebraska until now are vastly different. Solich, Callahan, Pelini, Riley and now Frost are working under vastly different circumstances. The number of football scholarships are fewer, everyone has facilities equal to Nebraska, time has erased Nebraska's glory years for those less than 25 years old and the competition level was much better in the Big Ten than was assumed.

Nebraska surely will be better under Frost than under Callahan and Riley, but results maybe closer to that of Solich and Pellini. It is my opinion that Nebraska cannot ever reach the talent level they once enjoyed. The national championship runs through the SEC and east of the Mississippi.
 
I don't even know how to have a logical conversation with someone who is that out of touch with reality. I would sooner believe a fat guy in a red suit is coming down the chimney, than I would nebby winning a national championship.
 
Every single one of them, and I mean, every single one of them would say that Scott Frost has accomplished more than Kirk Ferentz at this point in their careers. They are insufferable and impossible to have a logical or reasonable discussion with.
 
They don't seem too be in touch with reality, that if for sure. It is the number of them that is astonishing. It's like, Dude, this isn't 1985 with red Camaro's and Atari's anymore. They don't seem to realize times have changed and the landscape of college football is different.
 
CP87 said:
I think we have seen enough evolution over the past few seasons, and seen enough indicators (recruiting, NFL talent development, national ranking in important metrics such as this or this) trending upward, that I am very optimistic.
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I believe this is true. What I sense is that KF is less "it worked in the past so that's how we're going to do it now", and more open to different things. The Cash position, innovative fake field goals, more willing to go for the first down on fourth down, and being more assertive and aggressive with their recruiting, to cite a few. I think this year we're going to see some new things from the WR group. There's talent there, and I think they'll figure out ways to use it. He'll never be a football revolutionary, but I agree, matters concerning Iowa football appear to be trending upward. (At least I hope we're right).
 
ChosenChildren said:
I just had an exchange with a Nebraska fan. He started talking about them winning another national championship. I told him he ought to start with trying to beat Iowa.

Here is a fact he wasn't aware of:

Nebraska overall record since joining Big Ten starting with 2011 season: 60 wins 43 losses
Iowa during that same period: 63 wins 42 losses

Nebraska record v. Iowa since joining the Big Ten: 3 W 5L
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Nebraska fans, especially the craziest most delusional 10%, can’t see the shifting geography of football to the south. Scott frost could be the next nick saban for all I know, but the game has left the Midwest and the northeast behind and besides Ohio state and maybe Notre dame, its gone. Even Notre dame as gotten slaughtered both times it played for national titles (one was the Clemson playoff last year)

Thanks to the whole CTE thing, the game will be from here forward a southern game dominated by southern schools. Iowa can still be competitive against the big ten and lower tier southern schools (Mississippi state) and even PAC12 schools. However the tide is going out equally for Iowa, Wisconsin and Nebraska (and the rest of the big ten) Nebraska can become a decent Midwest program, but they’ll never be a national power.
 
Nebraska is the El Camino of college football. They are not sure what they really want to be. Looks like a car up front but a truck wannabe in back. Not very functional and terrible in winter weather. Smokes a lot. Did not sell well. Kids being recruited today have never seen one ... and would not buy one.

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Jonrn said:
Nebraska fans, especially the craziest most delusional 10%, can’t see the shifting geography of football to the south. Scott frost could be the next nick saban for all I know, but the game has left the Midwest and the northeast behind and besides Ohio state and maybe Notre dame, its gone. Even Notre dame as gotten slaughtered both times it played for national titles (one was the Clemson playoff last year)

Thanks to the whole CTE thing, the game will be from here forward a southern game dominated by southern schools. Iowa can still be competitive against the big ten and lower tier southern schools (Mississippi state) and even PAC12 schools. However the tide is going out equally for Iowa, Wisconsin and Nebraska (and the rest of the big ten) Nebraska can become a decent Midwest program, but they’ll never be a national power.
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The real elephant in the room for the Midwest is population. Georgia's population has nearly doubled bince 1980, Ohio's and Michigan's have grown by under 10%. Georgia is bigger than Michigan and catching Ohio quickly. Florida's population has gone from under 10 million in 1980 to over 22 million today, so while it was smaller than Ohio and barely bigger than Michigan in 1980, today it is bigger than both of them combined. Iowa and Nebraska respectively were about 2.9 million and 1.6 million in 1980. Today they are 1.9 and 3.1 million. Very little growth. Conversely, Alabama was about 3.9 million and is now about 4.9 million and South Carolina was 3.1 million and is now over 5 million.

The massive regional population shift to the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, Bama and Texas is absolutely going to doom the Big Ten in terms of competitiveness. It already has. Couple that with the attitudes of when they get kids playing football and spring practices while the north is still frozen tundra and it does not look good for the Big Ten. A program like OSU might have that year or two where it has a few freaks and can compete, but most of the time, they are going to be the odd man out compared to the southern teams.
 
okeefe4prez said:
The real elephant in the room for the Midwest is population. Georgia's population has nearly doubled bince 1980, Ohio's and Michigan's have grown by under 10%. Georgia is bigger than Michigan and catching Ohio quickly. Florida's population has gone from under 10 million in 1980 to over 22 million today, so while it was smaller than Ohio and barely bigger than Michigan in 1980, today it is bigger than both of them combined. Iowa and Nebraska respectively were about 2.9 million and 1.6 million in 1980. Today they are 1.9 and 3.1 million. Very little growth. Conversely, Alabama was about 3.9 million and is now about 4.9 million and South Carolina was 3.1 million and is now over 5 million.

The massive regional population shift to the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, Bama and Texas is absolutely going to doom the Big Ten in terms of competitiveness. It already has. Couple that with the attitudes of when they get kids playing football and spring practices while the north is still frozen tundra and it does not look good for the Big Ten. A program like OSU might have that year or two where it has a few freaks and can compete, but most of the time, they are going to be the odd man out compared to the southern teams.
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Excellent points made above.

Economically the southern states are much more business friendly, they have lower taxes and less union control over industries. This results in a massive migration. Similar to the northern migration in the early 1900’s. Iowa remains very consistent, but Illinois is a disaster and the rest of the rust belt is suffering.
 
Jonrn said:
Excellent points made above.

Economically the southern states are much more business friendly, they have lower taxes and less union control over industries. This results in a massive migration. Similar to the northern migration in the early 1900’s. Iowa remains very consistent, but Illinois is a disaster and the rest of the rust belt is suffering.
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Yep. As a region, the strip of land from Omaha to Pittsburgh was very economically powerful for a long time. Henry Ford along with the folks who started Dodge and GM established Michigan as the dominant auto hub and ancillary auto jobs blossomed in Ohio. Steel came from Pennsylvania. Farm industries needed a lot of labor and that kept the rural Midwest strong. There has been a massive displacement of jobs in that area and huge amounts of capital invested in the Southeast and Texas. The population has followed.

I have a good buddy who is a big U of Illinois backer. I told him that U of Illinois would be surpassed by several southern schools in terms of "prestigious national universities" and he was like "there's no way that is possible." I pulled up the US News report and I think now Florida and Georgia are both ahead of Illinois. Dude was absolutely shocked. Thing is, the reason the Cal schools are ranked so high is because it is totally a function of population taking the entrance exams. More people taking the test trying to get in state tuition means more high test scores which leads to a higher ranking. That's why Iowa will NEVER be a "public ivy" like that guy who is president claims he is going to turn it into. It ain't gonna happen. But Clemson, on the other hand, has moved way up the rankings and has a chance of being in that group along with UNC. Population, population, population.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Yep. As a region, the strip of land from Omaha to Pittsburgh was very economically powerful for a long time. Henry Ford along with the folks who started Dodge and GM established Michigan as the dominant auto hub and ancillary auto jobs blossomed in Ohio. Steel came from Pennsylvania. Farm industries needed a lot of labor and that kept the rural Midwest strong. There has been a massive displacement of jobs in that area and huge amounts of capital invested in the Southeast and Texas. The population has followed.

I have a good buddy who is a big U of Illinois backer. I told him that U of Illinois would be surpassed by several southern schools in terms of "prestigious national universities" and he was like "there's no way that is possible." I pulled up the US News report and I think now Florida and Georgia are both ahead of Illinois. Dude was absolutely shocked. Thing is, the reason the Cal schools are ranked so high is because it is totally a function of population taking the entrance exams. More people taking the test trying to get in state tuition means more high test scores which leads to a higher ranking. That's why Iowa will NEVER be a "public ivy" like that guy who is president claims he is going to turn it into. It ain't gonna happen. But Clemson, on the other hand, has moved way up the rankings and has a chance of being in that group along with UNC. Population, population, population.
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okeefe4prez said:
The real elephant in the room for the Midwest is population. Georgia's population has nearly doubled bince 1980, Ohio's and Michigan's have grown by under 10%. Georgia is bigger than Michigan and catching Ohio quickly. Florida's population has gone from under 10 million in 1980 to over 22 million today, so while it was smaller than Ohio and barely bigger than Michigan in 1980, today it is bigger than both of them combined. Iowa and Nebraska respectively were about 2.9 million and 1.6 million in 1980. Today they are 1.9 and 3.1 million. Very little growth. Conversely, Alabama was about 3.9 million and is now about 4.9 million and South Carolina was 3.1 million and is now over 5 million.

The massive regional population shift to the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, Bama and Texas is absolutely going to doom the Big Ten in terms of competitiveness. It already has. Couple that with the attitudes of when they get kids playing football and spring practices while the north is still frozen tundra and it does not look good for the Big Ten. A program like OSU might have that year or two where it has a few freaks and can compete, but most of the time, they are going to be the odd man out compared to the southern teams.
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In other words, we should be grateful that Iowa does more with less each year. At least, we shouldn't forget this reality. Unlike our neighbors to the west.
 
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