NCAA Tournament is a Crap Shoot

briankaldenberg

briankaldenberg

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And I love it...

But let's be honest. You play this tournament 10 times and you'd probably have 7+ difference champions, 15+ different teams in the finals, and 30+ different Final 4 participants.

I'd like to see the Sweet 16 move into a double elimination system.
 
It's exciting but the best team is not crowned champion....it makes the regular season irrelevant.
 
I am just saying that it's crappy that teams can win 30 some games and by far show they are one of the best teams....then get beat out because they have an off shooting night.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
Name a team sport where the "best" team is always crowned champion. Go.
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You may never ALWAYS get it right. But the NBA, NHL, and MLB get it right far more often than they don't, because of their playoff format (best of 5, best of 7). You don't see that many "upsets" when you do that, because over the span of 5-7 games, the creme rises to the top the vast majority of the time.
 
tm3308 said:
I still feel that Ohio State was the best team top to bottom in the tournament.
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Say what you want about Ohio State, but Kemba Walker (the cream) has risen to the top. He proves again that one guy can carry a team through this tourney.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
Name a team sport where the "best" team is always crowned champion. Go.
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The NBA and that's about the only one. Baseball doesn't work because a best of five series is too short for a sport with a 162 game season, you see too many wild card teams making it to the world series. The NBA is pretty much the only sport where the best team actually wins it every year.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
Say what you want about Ohio State, but Kemba Walker (the cream) has risen to the top. He proves again that one guy can carry a team through this tourney.
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especially if that one guy is a guard, especially point guard. college basketball has been a guard dominated game for some time, especially when it comes to the tournament. look at the final four teams at their level of guard play. that vcu guard is incredible.
 
HawkForce said:
It's exciting but the best team is not crowned champion....it makes the regular season irrelevant.
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Not true, ask Virginia Tech, Alabama, Missouri State, Colorado and others...if you don't do enough in the regular season, the you don't get to Dance.

The best team is crowned champion, it is single elimination and anyone can win, matchups matter, otherwise we might as well not even play the games based on seeding. If you are talking about a series then the "best" team doesn't always win. I saw someone say the NBA/MLB is the best, there are countless series that haven't been won by the "best" teams in those leagues either. A playoff or tournament in any form works where teams that earn their spot in that playoff/tournament all have a chance to win.

It ticks me off when people say the regular season doesn't matter, or it is devalued. That is the beauty of college basketball, you get to see pre-conference matchups that are rarely seen in college football for fear of losing.

Why do I want to see teams have scores of 83-10 in football, that right, I don't. The BCS has devalued competition and that is why there are so many blowouts, teams just don't schedule out of the fear to lose.

The regular season for basketball matters for seeding and trying to get an "easier" path to a championship, there are years like this one that makes me like the tournament that much more and wants a playoff in football that much more.
 
sportstalent said:
Not true, ask Virginia Tech, Alabama, Missouri State, Colorado and others...if you don't do enough in the regular season, the you don't get to Dance.

The best team is crowned champion, it is single elimination and anyone can win, matchups matter, otherwise we might as well not even play the games based on seeding. If you are talking about a series then the "best" team doesn't always win. I saw someone say the NBA/MLB is the best, there are countless series that haven't been won by the "best" teams in those leagues either. A playoff or tournament in any form works where teams that earn their spot in that playoff/tournament all have a chance to win.

It ticks me off when people say the regular season doesn't matter, or it is devalued. That is the beauty of college basketball, you get to see pre-conference matchups that are rarely seen in college football for fear of losing.

Why do I want to see teams have scores of 83-10 in football, that right, I don't. The BCS has devalued competition and that is why there are so many blowouts, teams just don't schedule out of the fear to lose.

The regular season for basketball matters for seeding and trying to get an "easier" path to a championship, there are years like this one that makes me like the tournament that much more and wants a playoff in football that much more.
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There is no format that will always produce the best team. But NBA/MLB/NHL get closer than anyone else. Ohio State beats Kentucky at least 7 out of 10 times. Kansas beats VCU at least 8 of 10. Because they are the better teams. But in a one and done, one off night can sink you.
 
tm3308 said:
There is no format that will always produce the best team. But in a one and done, one off night can sink you.
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I agree with this part and again, that is why the NCAA Tournament is something special. The only modern day sport that is in the "Stone Ages" is College Football without a playoff system. There are too many bowls as it is and bad teams continue to be rewarded for what?
However, the football teams do everything they can to eliminate having that one bad night out of conference by scheduling nobody's.

There is no perfect format and I don't think one or the other is better, there are always going to be upsets, in the NCAA Tournament it can be more often due to matchups.

Another thing to consider in one and done formats, is it the team that loses "off-night" that sinks them or what their opponent does to them on that given day/night?

In the NHL, it happens often that a 7 or 8 seed make it to the Finals, or at least the Conference Finals, it happens a lot.
The NBA has had such a talent disparity amongst each conference, it wasn't a mystery who would win. The overall talent isn't as deep as it used to be, although it is improving with the last few drafts. Guys like Brandon Roy becoming much better NBA players than expected has helped.
MLB, who thought the Giants would win last year, upsets happen a lot in Baseball as well.
 
I think that it's not always what the other team does especially in basketball...if you have a cold shooting night....and boom you're beat by VCU or old dominion (although I really liked VCU. Solid team with fun style, but in reality they should NOT be in final four.)
 
Part of being a good team is stepping up when it matters most. That's what I love about the tournament. Fans can ***** and moan about teams that are great on paper and have a lot of talent. But if you think that a certain team is much better then another, you've got 40 minutes to show up and score more points then they do. If the other team beats you, they deserve it and you don't.
 
I like college football just as it is,as flawed as their system is ,because of the great regular season.
I am old enough to remember college bb when only conference title winners advanced to the tourny,and yes, the regular season was bigger then,but I have grown to like the current system...which is flawed. That is fine....getting the absolute best team is not actually required...just give us good games,and a winner will emerge,and then next year,a new winner will emerge.
Like Duane Thomas,the rookie running back of the Cowboys said when asked about how it felt to play in the ultimate game,the Super Bowl, he simply replied that if it was the ultimate,why do they play it again next year?

It has always been that way. I watched some of the IU win over MJ's UNC team in 1984 on the BTN the other day....it was MJ's last game as a collegiate...and Dan Dakich shut him down,along with Sam Perkins and other stars at UNC. IU had a frosh
SA,and Uwe Blab and bunch of stiffs like Dakich...but beat the #1 Tarheels who had the best player ever....so it goes.
 
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