NCAA postseason ban for CA Universities

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eyekwah

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The subject of compensation for the use of an athlete's likeness is a proverbial can of worms. In the grand scheme of college football and men's basketball the players are generating huge sums of money for Power Five programs. Their compensation is paid tuition and room and board for the most part which does seem inequitable considering the monies they are generating. Thinking downstream if the NCAA permits payments for use of a likeness what is going to happen to the structure of colleges' two major sports?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...ols-if-state-proceeds-with-amateurism-reform/

Since it is only an "IF" at this point it is anyone's guess. Personally I believe it will be the end of college football. What will result is nationally followed programs like Notre Dame will have the ability to generate more money for an athlete likeness than a player at almost any other university you want to name. Programs in heavily populated states like Texas, Florida, California, etc will be at a great advantage over all the rest. It won't take long for agents start to represent the elite recruits to represent the athletes coming out of high school.

There are other aspects as well. The two sports are team sports. The athletes are now in a position where selfishness enters into the picture. They ask, "What can I do individually to become paid for my likeness?" . It won't be about team it will be about me.

One could find many more possible results but for the most part the consequences will be negative for many fans of college sports.
 
College sports will change but continue. College sports have already been in decline and will continue to decline slowly..

Demographics a part. NCAA corruption. Brain injuries. Alternative entertainment. Decline of middle class.
 
This is a hill the NCAA needs to die on.

The original post has it dead right. If you open this door, the power balance that already exists in the sports will multiply 10 fold. There is no way that the boosters of Iowa can keep up with the boosters of Texas and the like in paying off kids for their "likeness." The Pandora's Box this opens is almost beyond comprehension. "Come to Texas and be our starting guard, and we will pay you 50,000 dollars to star in our used car commercial."

The NCAA, for all its faults, is at its core, there to service institutions of higher learning by governing and regulating amateur student athletes. The fact that this country finds these sports so appealing to watch that we funnel billions of consumer dollars through the system does not change that. If the NCAA does not fight this to the end, it might as well fold shop.

What does that mean? Call the bluff. You tell California that every school in its state, if it complies with the state law, will forfeit every game it plays. How many 0-12 seasons for Stanford before this gets repealed?

The NCAA cannot have its fabric completely changed by one state. Whether California is right or wrong in its position here, and I get the debate, the NCAA has to go all in on this fight.
 
There are always two sides to the coin. If the NCAA allows this to happen, all the West coast universities will get all the best recruits because they will all want to go where they can make the money. It would cause a domino effect that would force every state to pass legislation just to keep up in recruiting. It would be in the NCAA’s best interest to keep a lid on the genie’s bottle. To avoid expensive court battles in every state, they need to come up with an equitable solution for all. There are sports out there that only give out half scholarships, like baseball for instance. Extra income would come in handy for student-athletes that don’t benefit them like a full ride scholarship would. Many athletes that may be local celebrities may or may not ever make it to the pro ranks, and this could be their only shot to cash in on themselves. The NCAA could enact its own rules that would allow athletes to get paid, but also put earnings limits in place nationally that would be equal for all. Somehow you are going to have to keep sports agents out of this. I can also see a stipulation in place where an athlete could help raise money for charities and be allowed to earn as much as he/she raised. It can be a great opportunity for all athletes, but if not managed fairly, it could be a trip down the rabbit hole. I could see this winding up in the Supreme Courts, and possibly an end to the NCAA as an entity unless they start making changes.
 
Once you allow payments outside of the scholarships to be made to college athletes, the line will continue to be moved until there is no line left, colleges will just be another branch of professional sports. I don't think that will end well for college sports in general. It may be really good for some schools, but many others will be left behind. I think a better path is to abolish the rules preventing a kid from going professional right out of high school, for any sport. Don't deny an individual the right to try to earn some money right away, if that's what he or she wants to do.
 
ModebaSan said:
Somehow you are going to have to keep sports agents out of this.
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Big issue is the kids signing agreements absolutely need legal representation at a minimum. Can you imagine a kid like Kevin Durant signing a lifetime exclusive deal with a local Kia dealer for $5k? As much as agents are greasy, there are counterparties out there that are even greasier.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Big issue is the kids signing agreements absolutely need legal representation at a minimum. Can you imagine a kid like Kevin Durant signing a lifetime exclusive deal with a local Kia dealer for $5k? As much as agents are greasy, there are counterparties out there that are even greasier.
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I agree with this, but this is also why it wouldn't end just at getting paid for use of their time in commercials/use of their likeness. A slippery slope.
 
homes said:
Once you allow payments outside of the scholarships to be made to college athletes, the line will continue to be moved until there is no line left, colleges will just be another branch of professional sports. I don't think that will end well for college sports in general. It may be really good for some schools, but many others will be left behind. I think a better path is to abolish the rules preventing a kid from going professional right out of high school, for any sport. Don't deny an individual the right to try to earn some money right away, if that's what he or she wants to do.
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That might work for basketball, but would 18 year olds be able to go play professional football somewhere and be amply compensated, considering the injury risk and such? Where, the XFL?
 
If it's a private trade association, then membership would not be guaranteed, and the NCAA could eliminate schools from the NCAA "trade association" that did not want to be in compliance with its own set of rules. Thus, these California schools wouldn't be banned from participating in NCAA sanctioned events (except tournaments in which champions are crowned), they just wouldn't be members anymore. That way, the California schools can continue to be in compliance with their own state's law, allow kids to get paid for their name, image and likeness, just not be in line for NCAA tournaments. They could still play schools in the NCAA, they'd just not be able to play for championships.

There are a lot of very real potential consequences, some unintended, that could flow from this law if it comes into existence. I doubt the collective intelligence of California assemblymen and women could conjure those up, considering what they've done to their state so far.
 
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That might work for basketball, but would 18 year olds be able to go play professional football somewhere and be amply compensated, considering the injury risk and such? Where, the XFL?
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Who knows? But the risk of injury isn't diminished because a kid is in college as opposed to playing professional sports somewhere. In fact, risk of injury is an argument as to why a kid should tried to get paid as soon as possible. That's why the option should be available to them. The three year wait for the NFL is artificial, just like the 1 year wait in basketball. It's done for the convenience of the professional leagues, not for the athletes. However, to me, college sports should not involve paying kids, once you've crossed that line, they're now professional. If that's what people want college athletics to become, then so be it, it will be forever changed, just not for the better in my estimation.
 
I'm no lawyer, but I found the article unconvincing and agree with Homes. The threat to CA from the NCAA is real: the key is the NCAA would not be preventing any CA university from having a team, playing other NCAA teams, etc...just from playing in NCAA post-season tourneys or bowl games. That's exactly the type of down the middle, 'split-the-baby' decision that the US Supreme Court typically loves.
 
The cynic in me see this as a political fundraising move by whatever Cal lawmakers are on the committee.

Threaten to change the way of life of an organization who sits on a pile of $$. No way all these university presidents, regents, etc. want to deal with this issue. Magical contributions slide into these lawmakers re-election funds and the bill never makes it out of committee.... in America always follow the $$
 
I may be off base, but wouldn't the restrictions and age limits for draft eligibility lie with in the NBA, NFL, etc... as opposed to being controlled by the NCAA. I could be way off on this but I was thinking these are usually negotiated upon by players associations in off season collective bargaining meetings.
 
kicker22 said:
I may be off base, but wouldn't the restrictions and age limits for draft eligibility lie with in the NBA, NFL, etc... as opposed to being controlled by the NCAA. I could be way off on this but I was thinking these are usually negotiated upon by players associations in off season collective bargaining meetings.
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I think you're correct at least as to the NFL, but the NFL enjoys the minor league development provided by college football. It's mutually beneficial to the NCAA and NFL. I'm sure they both say that it's for the benefit of the young athlete coming out of high school, let him develop and all that, but that's a pretense. If a kid was ready out of high school, the NFL would take him, or maybe draft him based on potential to beat other teams to him. But I'm sure there's no interest by either side in rocking that boat. Let the high school kid put his name in the hat if he wants to.
 
I just don't like the NCAA...period. The fact that they are responsible for "maintaining the integrity of the amatuer athlete" is a complete joke. They have built an organization that sponges off college athletes to create their wealth and power. The current basketball scandals are a perfect example of why I hate these motherf$5&ers. North Carolina paid teachers and administrators to forge results for years...they get caught...but a minor slap on the wrist. The current pay for play to basketball players will end in little probation to the major programs that cheated. It's a joke. They won't bite the hand that feeds them yet they talk about the damage to the game.

California should mess with them...it will maybe open their eyes to using a player's talents and successes for only their benefit.

The way I see it, players getting pay for their stay at an NCAA school and allowing the schools/NCAA to benefit/make money is a good thing. Maybe that player who gets some extra money gets to take his girl out more often so eventually he gets laid more often. Then, since he's so happy he's getting laid, maybe he stops on the street and signs a few autographs for the kids. After all, it's all about the kids, right. Do it for the kids California.
 
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WinOneThisCentury said:
I just don't like the NCAA...period. The fact that they are responsible for "maintaining the integrity of the amatuer athlete" is a complete joke. They have built an organization that sponges off college athletes to create their wealth and power. The current basketball scandals are a perfect example of why I hate these motherf$5&ers. North Carolina paid teachers and administrators to forge results for years...they get caught...but a minor slap on the wrist. The current pay for play to basketball players will end in little probation to the major programs that cheated. It's a joke. They won't bite the hand that feeds them yet they talk about the damage to the game.

California should mess with them...it will maybe open their eyes to using a player's talents and successes for only their benefit.

The way I see it, players getting pay for their stay at an NCAA school and allowing the schools/NCAA to benefit/make money is a good thing. Maybe that player who gets some extra money gets to take his girl out more often so eventually he gets laid more often. Then, since he's so happy he's getting laid, maybe he stops on the street and signs a few autographs for the kids. After all, it's all about the kids, right. It's a good thing.
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I see your point, but I struggle to seperate the exploitation complaint from just about any working persons reality. Every job I have ever had I was disproportionately compensated versus revenue my work product generated. Only difference is I am free to make side money.

I support letting athletes make money off themselves. I am fully aware of the potential pitfalls of this. I just believe that with perseverance and common sense rules it could work as well or better than the current system.

I however do not hate the NCAA. I do occasionally have a healthy distaste for their hypocrisy.
 
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