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Great, but I just don't see it. I don't see a go to guy next year. Love big red, but I don't see him being that guy. Maybe woody but I'm thinking more his senior year for that. We take a small step back next year.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
I do think White passed up way too many 10-15 footers (no need for him to take 3 pntrs) and he needs to take those and make a decent %. He needs to do this because if he does play the 4 (fulltime) he likely is going to have a heavier/slower guy defending him. He needs to draw his defender away from the basket to open up his drives (which he is very good at driving from the wing.) Too many times last season, however, his defender played off of him when he was on the wing and they were able to better stop his drives. White isn't going to make it in the NBA without at least a 10-15 foot jumpshot.
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Aaron passed up far too many mid-range jump shots. On rare occasions he would nail one and an occasional three, but he doesn't have the confidence to shoot them. He should shoot a few hundred jump shots every day this Summer. His free throw average has been very good his entire career. It would really open things up for the team if he can somewhat consistently hit the 10-15 foot jump shot. Opponents will not be able to lay off him daring him to shoot, and that should open things up inside, perhaps giving him room to drive around people to lay it in or dunk it. He has had excellent moves around the basket throughout. I think a lot depends on our three point shooting. If we can consistently nail them and spread the floor, we will be a much better team. We do have the shooters on the team who need to overcome their reluctance to shoot when open, especially in their spots......

:rolleyes:
 
JonDMiller said:
I dont want White shooting the shots from range he was passing up. I dont want him out there in that space as much as he is. Put him in the paint. Uthoff, I want him shooting any open look he has.
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THIS. My god this. White should never leave the paint in the halfcourt offensive set. Him running around the 3 point line being a non factor is a killer
 
SteveGarvey said:
The only way he gains that much weight by November would be by eating pizza, burgers and ice cream all day, and that's not the kind of weight you'd like to gain. 5-8 lbs. of muscle would go a long way though.
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White is much more of a finesse player than a #4 PF. He does need to gain muscle weight to compete at that position. When he got into the paint last season, he really wasn't that effective, except on garbage pickups and break aways. I'm really not sure how effective he will be going up against power forwards who have more weight and strength. When is the last time White made any kind of strong post move in or near the paint, with a fade away jumper from 10 feet or a jump hook from 6 feet -- with confidence?
 
eveningnewsteam said:
THIS. My god this. White should never leave the paint in the halfcourt offensive set. Him running around the 3 point line being a non factor is a killer
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Yeah, having a guy hanging out in the paint all the time is going to be great for spacing the offense. White is going to be a very limited half court player whether he plays the 3 or 4. Guys who have no jumpshot are going to struggle to score. White also hasn't shown the ability to get the ball on the block and score and also tends to disappear a lot when playing bigger and more physical guys. If we're leaning on him to score in the halfcourt game, we're going to be in trouble next year.
 
glidinghawk said:
White is much more of a finesse player than a #4 PF. He does need to gain muscle weight to compete at that position. When he got into the paint last season, he really wasn't that effective, except on garbage pickups and break aways. I'm really not sure how effective he will be going up against power forwards who have more weight and strength. When is the last time White made any kind of strong post move in or near the paint, with a fade away jumper from 10 feet or a jump hook from 6 feet -- with confidence?
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Nailed it. I don't get the people who think White is going to be much more successful if he plays the 4 more.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Yeah, having a guy hanging out in the paint all the time is going to be great for spacing the offense. White is going to be a very limited half court player whether he plays the 3 or 4. Guys who have no jumpshot are going to struggle to score. White also hasn't shown the ability to get the ball on the block and score and also tends to disappear a lot when playing bigger and more physical guys. If we're leaning on him to score in the halfcourt game, we're going to be in trouble next year.
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Who in the Big 10 is going to take advantage of him offensively? It's not like there are tons of big, physical offensive players in the league at the PF that can score over either shoulder. I'd rather see White at the 4, hanging at the baseline/free throw line catching and driving or getting lob dunks from Dickerson. I think that's how you best utilize him and keep driving lanes open for your guards.
 
BryceC said:
Who in the Big 10 is going to take advantage of him offensively? It's not like there are tons of big, physical offensive players in the league at the PF that can score over either shoulder. I'd rather see White at the 4, hanging at the baseline/free throw line catching and driving or getting lob dunks from Dickerson. I think that's how you best utilize him and keep driving lanes open for your guards.
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This. White was all conference for a reason. My guess is White will be around 14 ppg and 7 rpg. Those numbers will have him on one of the all conference teams again this year IMO.
 
MiniMoeHawk said:
Mike G had plenty of quickness to get into the lane last year but turned it over or missed the layup. He will get continue to get bigger to get the strength to finish at the hoop. Mike G will be a solid guard the B1G before his career ends. He has already shown flashes of a good A/T ratio and has a good stroke most of the time. Hopefully he gets the FT's in order. It might have been a mental thing last year.
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Seemed to me, more than any other Big Ten player driving to the rim, Mike wound up on the floor without getting any calls.
 
eveningnewsteam said:
THIS. My god this. White should never leave the paint in the halfcourt offensive set. Him running around the 3 point line being a non factor is a killer
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Totally agree. The times he would be doing that is just making them play 4 on 5. Whoever is guarding him can sag in to the paint and not worry about closing out on him. White is great in the open court and on broken plays. But he's not a complete player that is even all that great at posting up unless he has a mismatch. I'm glad he's a Hawk he's fun to watch. He just is who he is and lets not get expectations all out of whack as to what he's capable of being.
 
White is a great transition player...but his issue is...he really doesn't have a "home" in a half court set...do you throw him inside where he isn't really that well suited to band around with the big boys?...or do you move him around the perimeter where he is a non factor? If they can get some motion/cutting to the basket going with back doors...that's where White can shine.

But, from the bball games I have seen in the last few years...Fran is pretty good at set plays...but...our half court offense...it leaves a lot to be desired.
 
WindsorHawk said:
This. White was all conference for a reason. My guess is White will be around 14 ppg and 7 rpg. Those numbers will have him on one of the all conference teams again this year IMO.
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Probably, I would expect him to be about the exact same player whether he plays the 3 or the 4. He will get his run outs and transition points and putbacks, but will struggle in the halfcourt. If he's your 3rd or 4th option offensively, you're in great shape, if you're expecting to be your go to guy, you're in trouble.
 
SonofaSailor said:
White is a great transition player...but his issue is...he really doesn't have a "home" in a half court set...do you throw him inside where he isn't really that well suited to band around with the big boys?...or do you move him around the perimeter where he is a non factor? If they can get some motion/cutting to the basket going with back doors...that's where White can shine.

But, from the bball games I have seen in the last few years...Fran is pretty good at set plays...but...our half court offense...it leaves a lot to be desired.
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I think White could do well in half court sets. He has some decent post moves that could be improved but he does get to the line quite often in half court sets. He looks like he's trying to draw the foul and not try to and-one. As an 85% ft shooter, I just can't believe he doesn't have a really good 15 ft jumper; I just can't believe that. White needs to get more and-one's and take 50% of his attempts from out to 15 feet. I believe he can do both of these. If he does, he could become the best player in the league; factoring in his ability to run the floor and his help side defense. But up to this point, that's just potential and not realized talents.
 
WindsorHawk said:
This. White was all conference for a reason. My guess is White will be around 14 ppg and 7 rpg. Those numbers will have him on one of the all conference teams again this year IMO.
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They need White to camp out on the baseline during the set plays or go with back door alley oop play. It works the first time or two but then they quit running the set.
 
White will do very well at the 4, IF Woody & Gabe are playing a good post game and we can make the pass to the Bigs.. IF PJ JO & JU are spreading the D with their threes. and IF our PG can drive and pass. Its a team game guys. We don't have any super stars.
 
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