SCHawkeye2
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MSU hit with 3-year probation, 14 wins vacated
Due to NCAA violations, Michigan State football was placed on a three-year probation Wednesday, a school spokesperson confirmed.
MSU vacates 2024 wins
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Fryowa
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Lolz. All this is going to do is make sure teams never self-report again.MSU hit with 3-year probation, 14 wins vacated
Due to NCAA violations, Michigan State football was placed on a three-year probation Wednesday, a school spokesperson confirmed.www.espn.com
Another team right down the road had 3 serious recruiting violations and on-the-field cheating for 3 years. Denied everything, destroyed evidence, and sued the NCAA and got zero punishment.
The blueprint is set.
kicker22
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What exactly does vacated wins do to punish a program? I don't think it would affect a coaches ability to manipulate the situation to where its not much of a factor from a current recruiting standpoint. And it's not like those wins magically end up with their opponents and change anything. It just doesn't make sense. I agree with Fryowa that it's going to impact teams self reporting in the future and we all know that it's a broken system in terms of compliance that lacks consistency and is famous for looking the other way when the real shit goes down.
ICHawk24
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The NCAA is a voluntary organization that institutions entered to reform the violent sport of football, reduce cheating, and provide a governing body and framework to enforce rules.
Now schools lie cheat and steal every way they can. The moment the NCAA tries to enforce any player eligibility rules, THEIR OWN MEMBERS SUE THEM IN COURT.
The schools are to blame. They are hypocrites, like most of United States society. Most citizens claim they are Christians, yet spread a message of hate. The bible says to welcome the stranger, and feed the poor. Most people demand the opposite of their leaders.
This is all led by our child rapist in chief.
Now schools lie cheat and steal every way they can. The moment the NCAA tries to enforce any player eligibility rules, THEIR OWN MEMBERS SUE THEM IN COURT.
The schools are to blame. They are hypocrites, like most of United States society. Most citizens claim they are Christians, yet spread a message of hate. The bible says to welcome the stranger, and feed the poor. Most people demand the opposite of their leaders.
This is all led by our child rapist in chief.
NorthKCHawk
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It is precisely because this was Michigan State, and not Michigan, that the NCAA farce of an enforcement entity decided to take action. It never punishes its big brands.
That said, both of them were either nothing burgers or not. Michigan got hit harder.
Michigan got a huge fine. Big fucking deal. Monopoly money. Michigan State got a smaller fine. Again....
Vacating wins does what? Do the losing teams get those wins? No. Is Mel Tucker or Michigan State on the verge of some milestone for wins? Nope. Meaningless.
However:
Mel Tucker might be able to coach again in college. Harbaugh was essentially banned for life. The sign kid was too. For me, the folks who do the wrongdoing should get hit the hardest.
Michigan got a year longer probation. That is really the only punishment of note that impacts the teams going forward and Michigan got a longer sentence.
That said, both of them were either nothing burgers or not. Michigan got hit harder.
Michigan got a huge fine. Big fucking deal. Monopoly money. Michigan State got a smaller fine. Again....
Vacating wins does what? Do the losing teams get those wins? No. Is Mel Tucker or Michigan State on the verge of some milestone for wins? Nope. Meaningless.
However:
Mel Tucker might be able to coach again in college. Harbaugh was essentially banned for life. The sign kid was too. For me, the folks who do the wrongdoing should get hit the hardest.
Michigan got a year longer probation. That is really the only punishment of note that impacts the teams going forward and Michigan got a longer sentence.
Fryowa
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I think they just do it to give the program a black eye for show. To "prove" they did something about it. And to me if you take away a win because what they did was serious enough that it impacted wins/losses due to cheating, shouldn't the other team get those changed to wins?
I mean if my team got beat because the other team cheated and I didn't, that should get changed to a win on my record IMO...
If you really want to punish a program the only way to do it is by banning them from postseason play for say, 3 years. Nowadays making the CFP is the ultimate goal of every team and that's how coaches have to sell it to big name recruits. You have to tell them you'll pay them good money and by being there you hope you can help us win the conference and make the big time.
Let's say your team has Ohio State money somehow even if your team is meh. If you want to turn things around you go and offer the best QB millions to come play there (among other positions too). If you were a big name recruit or potential transfer, would you take $3 million to go play for Michigan State knowing you'll never make the playoffs which is the biggest NFL stage there is, or would you go play for $2 million at Michigan where you at least had a shot?
That would still allow you to recruit, get decent players, play games, etc. but it'd pretty much guarantee you weren't getting anyone valuable. You'd still have the chance to turn things around if you could perform as good as possible with the players you have. That's an actual punishment.
My biggest problem with whole team violations is it punishes the kids who didn't do anything wrong. If there's some left tackle who gave 4 years to MSU and never did anything wrong, now all the wins he was a part of are wiped off the map and also now, the new kids who didn't do anything wrong are faced with uprooting themselves and transferring or just eating a shit sammich. They should make a rule that every player who wasn't accused of wrong doing gets $250K no questions asked if something like that happens, straight out of the school's general fund. That'd make administrations think twice if they had to write a $20 million check to pay for a bad apple coach who wears their school colors. I know full well that rule is legally impossible, but that's what should happen.
I'm also going on record as saying MSU should be punished pretty severely, but Michigan should have gotten the death sentence. Turn their asses into SMU, scorch the earth, and leave nothing standing in Michigan stadium. Turn the Big House into the home of the Texas State Armadillos.
Fryowa
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I agree with everything except the Mel Tucker part. While you're correct that he can technically coach again, he got caught jerkin' his gherkin on the phone with a woman who didn't want him doing that, among other incidents of that nature. They could have given him a 6 month ban or a 60 year ban and he'll never coach college football again and they (NCAA) know it. Could he end up as a DC for Upper NW Poughkeepsiee State CC? Sure. Will he ever have a 6 figure job again coaching? Nope.
It's just the optics of the thing. Both of them should've gotten lifetime bans because the length of the show cause is nothing more than them saying, "We think one of these is way more serious than the other and we think Harbaugh's was 4.67 times more serious."
Like everything they do, the NCAA got it completely ass-backwards but I agree with the meat and intent of your post.
kicker22
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Good point. As you said the only ones really being punished are the kids that didn't do anything as you had pointed out. I just have issue with punishments in general when they let the Michigan's of the world get off with nothing but a slap on the hand, while they wait for the next no name University to slip up so that they can throw the book at them. What's the point if/when there's no consistency.
