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[whammer33024]

You know that works both ways right? Personally, I believe your love for KF is blinding you. I truly don't hate KF or anything even close to that. Look at my username. I've even been on record saying I will support KF and this staff for at least a few years as they get their **** together. Haters gonna hate. However, I'm not a hater so you can't pull the "you're just blinded by your hatred" card.

With that being said, I agree with Dave regarding getting players in their spots early. When you change spots, especially offense to defense, you have to relearn an entire playbook and work your way up from the bottom. In college, this ain't an easy task with class outside of practice. Knowing the playbook, in detail, takes time. When you know the playbook you're able to play with confidence and just let your natural/physical abilities shine, which is when you see players play their best football. KF always talks about confidence when Dallas Clark or Greenway get brought up. I think it's something he holds as an important quality when evaluating talent.

Now I guarantee the coaches know infinitely more than any of us, or any magazine or article you could read. I trust their decisions to move players around if they feel their natural abilities would be better somewhere else. I just ask they don't wait too long as to impede development (which is different for every person) in their final position.

i hear what you're saying about having to relearn a new playbook and being set back and all...but isn't it better to take more time to develop and become productive in a new position than to be buried on the depth chart at the position you think you should play and never develop?

not fighting with you, just curious of your opinion

 

[dave3912]

i hear what you're saying about having to relearn a new playbook and being set back and all...but isn't it better to take more time to develop and become productive in a new position than to be buried on the depth chart at the position you think you should play and never develop?

not fighting with you, just curious of your opinion

I agree to a point, I think all players are different. Some take to the switch faster, some don't. That is all I was trying to say. Maybe if they tweaked their evaluations or something maybe they wouldn't have to switch, I don't know just putting it out their to discuss much like you did.

My issue with Redhawk is he takes a handful of guys who successfuly switched positions and believes that every single switch that has ever happened at Iowa has always worked out. Maybe Iowa has a higher number of successful switches but fact remains that Redhawk doesn't know for sure and pretends he does solely because he blindly believes in KF and this staff without having first hand knowledge of what he is talking about just because he follows recruiting and reads articles. Same with every player that Iowa recruits and gets a commit from he thinks they are all going to playmakers well sure as hell showed through this season, zero playmakers.

The GD system requires a different skill set from RBs and WRs than what Iowa recruited in the past. Just because Iowa brings in 1 or 2 guys who MIGHT fit that system doesn't mean they are going from 4-8 to 8-4 in one season or even two or three. Fact is for every 1 player that commits there are 5-10 players that bust, that is a fact. Odds are against these kids that they will actual come in and be a true playmaker.

I like his optimism but he flips out on anyone who doesn't blindly follow KF and the staff. I am extremely disappointed in the state of the program but I will always bleed black and gold regardless of who the coach is, ever.

 

[GhostofBTT]

My issue with Redhawk is he takes a handful of guys who successfuly switched positions and believes that every single switch that has ever happened at Iowa has always worked out.

That's not what he said at all. YOU said that the staff slows development of players by switching them around, and pointed out SEVERAL examples of players switching positions and having amazing success.

He forgot to mention that Dallas Clark actually played at LB before becoming a TE, and Christian Ballard was recruited as a TE before switching to DE.

Of course not every switch works out, but if you're going to criticize Kurt and his staff for anything, this is not the area.

 

[dave3912]

That's not what he said at all. YOU said that the staff slows development of players by switching them around, and pointed out SEVERAL examples of players switching positions and having amazing success.

He forgot to mention that Dallas Clark actually played at LB before becoming a TE, and Christian Ballard was recruited as a TE before switching to DE.

Of course not every switch works out, but if you're going to criticize Kurt and his staff for anything, this is not the area.

Ok, I get what you are saying but those are a few examples that worked out for the program. I don't agree, that is my opinion. The fact remains we don't have the true numbers of switching player positions within the program. We as fans usually only know about the ones that workout. I asked him how he knew for sure because he doesn't truly know and he calls me out for hating on KF.

Hell, maybe I am wrong, but maybe not, we don't know for sure that is my point. Redhawk55 thinks he is always right and if you don't agree he flips out and calls you a "hater", yeah that makes a ton of sense.

 

[redhawk55]

Ok, I get what you are saying but those are a few examples that worked out for the program. I don't agree, that is my opinion. The fact remains we don't have the true numbers of switching player positions within the program. We as fans usually only know about the ones that workout. I asked him how he knew for sure because he doesn't truly know and he calls me out for hating on KF.

Hell, maybe I am wrong, but maybe not, we don't know for sure that is my point. Redhawk55 thinks he is always right and if you don't agree he flips out and calls you a "hater", yeah that makes a ton of sense.

don't have to be a insider the facts are right in front of you and everyone to see,
these players "ALL" came in at different popsition and switched
this has been a big staple of the KF way of taking players that other teams didn't want.
Sanders is a very big example of nobody wanting him, and it sure as hell had nothing to do with his talent, as he was a 1st Team All State in class 6A and was a starter on Pennsylvania's Super 33 team in the annual Ohio/PA Super 33 game, nobody wanted him bercause of his "SIZE" he was just 5'8 and most felt he was not big enough to play at the next level, in the past Iowa took alot of QB'S and developed them into the skill guys, as the QB is ussually was the best Athlete on the team.
it does not take a rocket scientist to see that
and the difference between me and you. is that Ifollow recruiting more than you do.
to me you are nothing more than a Saterday afternoon recliner fan, that knows nothing about the team other than what is shown on game day.
Nate Meier was the 8 Man Player of the Year in Iowa, with these for #'s
176 rushes for 2494 yards 57 TD's for a 14.2 ypc. on defense
112 tackles 34 TFL and 11 sacks.
with those offensive #'s people were expecting him to be a RB.
guess what he is going to be a LB'r.
try following recruiting closer and you will see this for yourself.

 

[dave3912]

don't have to be a insider the facts are right in front of you and everyone to see,
these players "ALL" came in at different popsition and switched
this has been a big staple of the KF way of taking players that other teams didn't want.
Sanders is a very big example of nobody wanting him, and it sure as hell had nothing to do with his talent, as he was a 1st Team All State in class 6A and was a starter on Pennsylvania's Super 33 team in the annual Ohio/PA Super 33 game, nobody wanted him bercause of his "SIZE" he was just 5'8 and most felt he was not big enough to play at the next level, in the past Iowa took alot of QB'S and developed them into the skill guys, as the QB is ussually was the best Athlete on the team.
it does not take a rocket scientist to see that
and the difference between me and you. is that Ifollow recruiting more than you do.
to me you are nothing more than a Saterday afternoon recliner fan, that knows nothing about the team other than what is shown on game day.
Nate Meier was the 8 Man Player of the Year in Iowa, with these for #'s
176 rushes for 2494 yards 57 TD's for a 14.2 ypc. on defense
112 tackles 34 TFL and 11 sacks.
with those offensive #'s people were expecting him to be a RB.
guess what he is going to be a LB'r.
try following recruiting closer and you will see this for yourself.

I agree with alot of what you said in this post but calling me a Saturday afternoon recliner fan is stupid solely because I don't agree with you and I don't quote measurables and HS or JUCO stats. And for the record I do follow recruiting very close but as Jon Miller has said many, many times that people but way too much into recruiting and get all hyped about kids that haven't proved anything where it really counts, that is on the field at the Division 1 Level. You seem to be on here all day long arguing with anyone who doesn't agree with you. Fact still remains that you take what you read and assume everyone is always going to pan out and also that KF is the all knowing football genius and the rest of the world is stupid and anyone who disagrees is a "hater".

The fact is you don't know what he does behind closed doors with the football team only what you read. I know Ferentz knows more about football than I do, I am not saying I have all the answers I was just merely saying my opinion and it doesn't match your opinion but it is no more or less educated than your opinion regardless of what YOU say because you don't know these players or coaches personally and you aren't there, deal with it.

 

[redhawk55]

then why try to start a arguement, the point being that a statement was made about switching players around slows players developement. and I pointed out some of the players that made the switch that did just fine,
also Fleming as a WR had a chance to start from day one because of his speed,
as a DB, Hyde and Lowery were ahead of him, so he will benefit with a RS.
and as I pointed out to those that were hyped up about him being switched to WR that his speed could be used on defense as well.
and for the record this is a quote from ESPN's evaluations:
"Fleming is essentially a WR OR SAFETY prospect, lined up as a Wildcat QB for his skill as a runner. he is very gifted and versatile and displays the type of speed, quickness and change of direction skill you like to see.
he has good size, adequate bulk and a muscular..." to read the rest you have to be a insider, this is where you and I part ways
KF tried to put Fleming into the best position to make the team better, but Fleming chose to play a position that he felt more comfortable playing. not all kids take to being switched, Fleming is one of them, so I doubt starting him out at WR hurt him one bit. who knows maybe Fleming handles KO and PR as well as being a FS

 

[dave3912]

then why try to start a arguement, the point being that a statement was made about switching players aroung slows players developement. and I pointed out some of the players that made the switch that did just fine,
also Fleming as a WR had a chance to start from day one because of his speed,
as a DB, Hyde and Lowery were ahead of him, so he will benefit with a RS.
and as I pointed out to thosde that were hyped up about him being switched to WR that his speed could be used on defense as well.
and for the record this is a quote from ESPN's evaluations:
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Redhawk55, I am sorry I wasn't trying to start an agrument. Please remember I was just stating my opinion and I did admit I may be wrong, but you called me a "hater", by calling someone a name or getting upset over an opinion is starting an argument, that was you not me.

Like I said above many, many times, we don't have all the stats on who switches and when everytime for the past 10 years or so that is all I am trying to say. We as fans normally only hear about the ones that work out. The kids who don't start, don't hit the depth chart are the ones that never get talked about. There are 85 scholarship kids on the team, add in the walk-ons so that is half the team that isn't listed on the depth chart. Those players are rarely discussed we don't know which ones of them have been switched around or what.