FreedComanche
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"but I do think ya gotta let 99, 00, and maybe even 01 slide"
Ok, even with doing that he's 6 winning seasons and 5 losing/break even seasons in the big ten. Gee, that's really setting things on fire.
FreedComanche
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"but I do think ya gotta let 99, 00, and maybe even 01 slide"
Ok, even with doing that he's 6 winning seasons and 5 losing/break even seasons in the big ten. Gee, that's really setting things on fire.
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HawkeyeWalker
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...we are entering into "what people's expectations of success are"... I don't want to go down that path. I said I get what your pointing at. I think he's a pretty good coach, you don't, that's cool. If he doesn't improve things quickly, a change will hopefully be made.
I will take 7-8 wins most years, with an occaisional 9+, and be quite satifsfied. I make no apologies for it. I don't much care for the <6 win seasons....ever.
FreedComanche
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Believe it or not, I used to think he was a good coach. That was before the facade fell off.
I've been thinking about the state of the program a lot recently. My conclusion is that the coaching changes are an act of desperation on his part. They weren't made soon enough and things will get worse because of their tougher big ten schedule. He'll have to have two really bad years before he'd get fired.
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deanvogs
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The simple fact is, hiring ***. coaches is part of his job. He makes the selections, so if he chooses good ***. that run the program well, and the team wins, then that is being a good coach. If he hires poor ***. and they do poorly, then that is being a poor coach.
It makes no sense to try to credit the ***. with winning, when it starts and stops at the top. Always has, always will. Hayden was no different, successful coaches surround themselves with good coaches, the head coach can't do it alone......yet they do get all of the credit or blame.
This is exactly right. Freed you know this too. Head coaches are a CEO many ways. Like in any bussiness you need to surrond youeself with good people. Then you need to be a good leader. While I agree he was slow making these changes He has made them and they will decide his future. The asst not only do most of the recruiting, teaching, they also decide who plays on game day. They can overule the depth chart if they so decide. I also dont know how you can look at the close loses last year and not see the possibulity that that those could go the other way next year.
FreedComanche
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What does a D-1A coach need to do well to be successful:
a. Get good talent to the school.
b. Develop that talent.
c. Implement effective offensive and defensive systems that give his talent the best opportunity to win.
d. Make good game day coaching decisions.
Which of the above has he done well?
His strength had been both a and b through his asst. coaches. He's always been horrible at c and d.
Presently he's striking out on all four categories and has been for several years while being absolutely the worst on category d, and being sickening on c.
FreedComanche
A. Im not one of those that think a new guy could get 4 & 5 star guys.B. He has been terrific at developing talent at Iowa. C. For the most part his conservative, Defense approch does give us a better chance to win when we have lesser talant. D. Has some work to do in this area
deanvogs
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He has gotten decent talent (or at lease as much if not more than Iowa traditionally has). No, he hasn't changed the standards and made Iowa into getting top 25 recruiting classes each year.
He has most certainly developed the talent he has gotten here. The list of Iowa players in the NFL is long, and that is without getting tons of 4 & 5 * kids.
His offense has been lacking for sure, but his defensive system has been top 20 for much of his 14 years here.
Make good game day coaching decisions? I'm not sure what that means? Clock management has been terrible. Halftime adjustments are usually pretty good though.
I think that you actually overlooking his most glaring fault:
a) Not innovative, or original. Doesn't win games by schemes, but rather by lining up and beating you. This means if the opponent doesn't make mistakes, they will usually win, even when they are inferior in talent.
I would say that all of us are frustrated by the current state of the Hawkeyes. I think where most of us fans differ is how we judge the past in what has been accomplished. You have taken the view that KF was never a good coach. I think many of us think he was, and still is a good coach, who has made mistakes that have put the program where it is at. All coaches make mistakes, even good ones. Most coaches end up getting fired at some point, because keeping a team consistently winning in college football is nearly impossible.
HawkeyeWalker
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good post and how I feel. well played Dean.
I think this year will tell us a lot about where we are going. I think BF is having a big impact on the program, but you will never here that publicly. It looks to me like we got some good hires but time will tell. Greg Davis may turn out to be a good hire thow most on here think he is the devil. I just dont know at this point. Granted last year offense was horrible. Just dont think its fair to write him off yet.
FreedComanche
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Wow! Huge points.
I realize I am in the minority believing that he has never been a good head coach. Everything lined up for him for a few years during the first half of his tenure at Iowa. I actaully identify with ferentz in this regard.
I was with a company as a salesman and set records, won international trips and my wife thought I was King Kong because of that. However, I was not and am not a salesman at all. Ok, how did I have so much success then? Very many variables just came together for me while I was there. Guys that were true salesman were doing poorly at this time and I couldn't understand why I was doing so well, being a non salesman and why they were doing so bad.
In a nut shell, things just came together for me or lightning struck my accounts making them buy from me, or fill in the blank. I firmly believe something similar happened to ferentz during his successful years. Why do I believe that? Well, just look at how he responds to all things football? I mean, junior high coaches could respond better than he does. He just looks like a fish out of water and not just last year. I could list all the dumb things he does or has done, but you guys are already well aware.
Look at his time in Maine? Losing record. I think he's probably a good o-line coach from listening to Hayden talk about him, but he just is not a good head coach.
Hope all this made some sense.
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HawkeyeMHA
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I have heard this a lot. While I hope this is true, I have not seen the results. Why do you think this and what impacts do you speak of?
I cant say why, but as for what. I think in a nut shell. He is bringing Fresh New ideas. From coaching changes to marketing to recruiting. and he is trusted by the head coach. JMO
We return a damn good TE and got a JUCO that chose us over Oklahoma. We also have 3 SR running backs. I would say advantage ISU at RB and draw for TE, but I know nothing about Iowa's football team.
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ILHawk
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This thread needs to die. In order to shut up Clown fans, KF needs to take this game.....as more than just another game.
Kurt's Krutch.
HawkeyeMHA
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I think kf approaches all games the same. He tries to keep the team on an even level, focused on the responsibilities of the players on each play versus motivation factors. I think this is a good approach actually but it does get criticized.
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ILHawk
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The problem comes in when one team takes it much more seriously. Sports is about adrenalin and focus which at a high level when your are really up. Why do you think the clowns beat down the Hawks so much? Talent?
Please show me where the cyclones have beat down Iowa. Just winning isn't a "beat down".
