I agree things do tend to repeat themselves. We just disagree on if KF can turn this back around. I dont know neither does anyone else. It will be interesting to look back 2-3 years from now and see who was right.
More evidence to support my 2013 Iowa vs Isu prediction.......................
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DP5555
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If it does get turned around I'm guessing Freed either won't show up to eat crow or he won't give Ferentz the credit. He'll say something lame like "the players outplayed the ability of their coach".
DP5555
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Did you miss this post LASBUR? He's basically saying anything can happen but if Iowa turns it around with Ferentz at the helm it will be because the players outplayed their coach. He's setting the table for his future excuse... if he needs it.
With that said I have no idea whether or not Ferentz will turn it around. I'm not on his bandwagon. He's on the hot seat and I'm not sure the team has the talent it needs to take the program back to a BCS game anytime soon. However, he's done it before so I won't count him out yet.
Yea I read it. I think there are a lot of people out there that are talking with their emotions. I have come to expect that. They are just plain mad. However I dont think it is rational to say KF is a bad coach. I know how highly he is respected in ths coaching community. He could of went to Michigan when Carr left. We as fans just have to let this thing play out. Either he will or he wont. Iowa fans tend to have unrealistic expectations. Heck they ran Lute off Freed is still a good guy IMO.
DP5555
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My point had nothing to do with whether or not he's a stand up guy. I'm saying he basically said in his opinion if Iowa makes it back to a BCS game under Ferentz it will be because the players outplayed their Coach. He won't give Ferentz credit regardless. Whether or not he's a good guy it's a stupid comment. According to him the head coach has nothing to do with the success of Iowa's program. Maybe last year the players underplayed their coach by that logic.
FreedComanche
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Hey, I totally realize that I'm fallable. Could I be wrong? Of course. If I am, I'll show up and take my medicine while being happy they are winning again.
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FreedComanche
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While it's true that I do believe the players will have to outplay their coach's ability to win big again, I'll have to give ferentz at least some credit if it happens. He's the one that made the final decision as to who steps on the field.
Look, I do not hate ferentz. It's just that he's not doing now what he did ealier in his run at Iowa. When he was good, he hired very, very good assistants. I've said this so many times before that I'll stop on that now.
I'd more than LOVE to be wrong about where I think Iowa football is now. Why? Because my team will be winning. That that was obvious without saying.
FreedComanche
DP5555 I got your point, I understand what you are saying. Maybe I am just stupid
RealistaHawk
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You know? What I've been wondering for some time, and not that I think it will happen cause I just cant see it after whats gone on the last 3 seasons, is what if, just what if the Hawkeyes go 8 wins or better next season? All the haters and doubters on here gonna crawl into a hole or something? Just wondering what people would do and say. Hmmmmm....
DP5555
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You aren't just handed the kind of respect Kirk Ferentz has in the coaching ranks. The guy can flat out coach the game of football. Now does he need to adapt? Absolutely. In some ways the game has changed and he's refused to change with it. I think we're seeing that stubborness give in a bit with all of these coaching changes. I don't doubt that he has what it takes to turn the ship around, but I worry these last couple seasons have hurt the Hawks ability to get the kind of talent they'll need in order to do it. However, it's amazing what one really good QB can do for a team. Maybe we have that guy on the roster maybe we don't. Will be interesting to see.
What I can guarantee you is that people will continue to be overly dramatic because well some people are just dramatic. That's not going to change anytime soon.
FreedComanche
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Ok, well, let's see what the Big 10 numbers say....................
Big 10 Big 10 rank
1999 Iowa 0–8 11th
2000 Iowa 3–5 8th
2001 Iowa 4–4 T–4th
2002 Iowa 8–0 T–1st
2003 Iowa 5–3 T–4th
2004 Iowa 7–1 T–1st
2005 Iowa 5–3 T–3rd
2006 Iowa 2–6 T–8th
2007 Iowa 4–4 T–5th
2008 Iowa 5–3 T–4th
2009 Iowa 6–2 T–2nd
2010 Iowa 4–4 T–4th
2011 Iowa 4–4 4th (Legends)
2012 Iowa 2–6 T–5th (Legends)
Totals: 59-53
1. He's 6 games over a 500 winning record in the big ten with a 52.67%.
2. He's had 6 winning big ten seasons out of 14. 42.85% of his big ten seasons have been winning ones. 57.14% (8) of his big ten seasons were losing or break even seasons.
3. His big ten final rank each season comes out to an average of (even by giving him the benefit of the doubt with the ties) 4.57.
4. His big ten record for the last four seasons is 16-16 with one winning big ten season that was in 09.
Thoughts?
FreedComanche
HawkeyeMHA
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No freed pees sitting down. How do I know? I told him to so he does it.
FreedComanche
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DP5555
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Ok so now you know more than Bill Parcells. Thanks for the info. Ferentz is damn good at teaching the fundamentals of football. That is a fact. Figuring out a way to convert wins has been a struggle lately. However, I said he's a damn good football coach because he is. If you ask anyone in college ball or the NFL I guarantee you they'll agree. He didn't just forget what he's doing.
HawkeyeWalker
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well played sir, well played. ISU has had a talent advantage on Iowa in exactly 1 year in my 36 years of being alive, that was last year....and yet, they have one 6 of the last 9....and kept us from an outside chance at a Nat'l Title in '02 when we were lightyears ahead in talent....
i'll say it again...well played.
We need to start winning this game consistantly to get to the 7+ win consistency....
HawkeyeWalker
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Freed has redeemed himself in my eyes with this thread and makes some good points, he is absolutely within in right to not care too much for the coaching the last couple years but also says its bad coaching "lately". I think he would be here if they were doing well...and might even give KF a little cred for it... but they need to show marked inprovement
now....Myth of Ferentz....that guy....crazy mad...and crazy....
now....Myth of Ferentz....that guy....crazy mad...and crazy....
HawkeyeWalker
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I get what you saying, but I do think ya gotta let 99, 00, and maybe even 01 slide....those teams had less talent than last year...and that had nothing to do with Ferentz(i would argue few coaches could make that much of a turnaround that quickly)....and as much as I hate to say it, Hayden really is responsible for some bad years '97-'00 by letting things go(still a hero, even named by new born twin daughter after him) However, '10-'12, while I do think there were some bad luck beyond his control...does have to be laid directly at KF's feet.
I am still a KF believer(not an apologist - that's something different) but I have to see marked improvement next year - which I consider to be 6-7 wins and a bowl, any bowl....additionaly, I would expect continued improvement the year after to 7-8 wins....
DP5555
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I feel exactly the same way you do Walker. I'm losing faith in KF just as much as the next Hawk fan. However, regardless of how things end up with his career at Iowa I will never say he's a bad coach because I don't believe that. I think he's a damn good football coach who has struggled to adapt to the ever-changing landscape of college football. If the Hawks end up having a bad season next year I would not be surprised to see a change, and I would be okay with that.
FreedComanche
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"I think he's a damn good football coach who has struggled to adapt to the ever-changing landscape of college football."
Hhhhmmmmmm...............don't good football coaches adapt to the ever changing landscape of college football?
And what is the true definition of a good coach? They ultimately get judged by wins and losses.
To be clear, I simply do not think he's a good coach over all. He's had success because he did a good job at hiring asst. coaches that could both recruit and coach well. Now that they are gone, you see the real ferentz revealed.
And per somebody else's response, you darn right I will show up here gladly if they win a lot next season. I have said I realize that I'm fallable and could be wrong about all of this. But I'm not.
FreedComanche
