Miller: Will Big Ten Scheduling Usher End of CyHawk Game?

[hawkfaninTX]

I think it would be fine to drop ISU from the schedule. think of the chance meetings in bowl games that would create. It could become a reality if we no longer played each other earlier in the year. remember how excited we got over the potential Nebraska vs Iowa march up last year? for the same reasons everyone has already mentioned we should drop them and add a better home and home series, specifically on the east coast somewhere (Maryland).

 

[20eyes]

What do we have to gain by continuing a home and home series with the clowns when we go to a 9 game conference schedule? Also, why would we care about what clone fans have to say at all. If you care what they say, you think they are relevant, which they are not.

signed,

2002 and 2007 Cyclones

 

[ChosenChildren]

Drop the series. No reason to continue it; it feels stale. The Big Ten games are much more important. Winning or losing to Iowa State has no bearing on how the season turns out (check out 2002, 2006 and 2010 if you don't believe me).

In a year when both teams are bowl-eligible, play Iowa State in a bowl game! That would be special

 

[ShadasRevenge]

In 2002, Iowa's lone regular season loss was ISU...had they not lost that game and none of the others, it would have been better for the fans and better financially, hypothetically playing in the NC game.

In 2007, Iowa was 6-6 with a loss to ISU and didn't go to a bowl game. Not being in a bowl was not better for the fans, that game had an impact on that.

Look, I am not going to go to the mat for either of these arguments because they are more than a tad specious, but it CAN be argued by guys like you and I that enjoy the debate

It had no more effect on that the other 5 losses that year.

 

[DwayneTwill]

I still think that any move to end the series will come from Ames. With the tougher Big XII schedule coming up, they need a cupcake home game on the schedule more than the Hawkeyes do.

 

[HawkPhreek]

IMO the home and home is a waste to IOWA. I would rather Iowa go to either coast for recruiting reasons. I can't think of one positive Iowa gets for playing Iowa st.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

IMO the home and home is a waste to IOWA. I would rather Iowa go to either coast for recruiting reasons. I can't think of one positive Iowa gets for playing Iowa st.

A non-conference win over a BCS opponent. Regardless of their actual performance on the field, ISU is in the Big 12, and as such, are still a BCS opponent.

 

[HawkPhreek]

A non-conference win over a BCS opponent. Regardless of their actual performance on the field, ISU is in the Big 12, and as such, are still a BCS opponent.

I get that a win is good vs a BCS school. I was thinking more like Syracuse, Uconn, Cal , a coast BCS school. If Iowa is going to give away a home and home I think there are several other Bcs schools with more upside is what I'm thinking.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

I get that a win is good vs a BCS school. I was thinking more like Syracuse, Uconn, Cal , a coast BCS school. If Iowa is going to give away a home and home I think there are several other Bcs schools with more upside is what I'm thinking.

Iowa just finished a home/home with Syracuse 4 years ago, and a home/home with Arizona this past fall. The Pitt return game is this fall, followed by two more games in (I think) 2013 and 2014. Kirk made it clear last fall that as long as he's around, Iowa won't be going west anymore.

It makes sense to keep Iowa State on the schedule. It doesn't cost much to take the team to Ames, and this is a game that Iowa is going to win 3 times out of 4.

 

[HawkPhreek]

Iowa just finished a home/home with Syracuse 4 years ago, and a home/home with Arizona this past fall. The Pitt return game is this fall, followed by two more games in (I think) 2013 and 2014. Kirk made it clear last fall that as long as he's around, Iowa won't be going west anymore.

It makes sense to keep Iowa State on the schedule. It doesn't cost much to take the team to Ames, and this is a game that Iowa is going to win 3 times out of 4.

Valid points about going out West. Maybe Maryland Iowa been recruiting there, just seems Iowa could benefit more than ISU on a home and home, but being close and winning the majority are strong points.

 

[troy]

cancel the series

 

[DuffMan]

cancel the series

Now that's what I'm talking about! Awsome insight, thanks for making the forums a great place.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

Valid points about going out West. Maybe Maryland Iowa been recruiting there, just seems Iowa could benefit more than ISU on a home and home, but being close and winning the majority are strong points.

I agree with you there, but that's only one way to look at it. If you look at it from a budget standpoint, it costs a lot less to bus the team to Ames than it does to put the team on a plane (or two) and fly to Tucson.

 

[ICHawk24]

I've posted before that Kinnick is more excited for an ISU game than for Arizona, Syracuse, MSU, Minnesota, Purdue, Illinois, etc. It is below OSU, PSU, Mich, Nebraska, Wisconsin. For all the online posters who want to ditch the game, there sure are a lot of excited folks at the game.

I agree with ShadasRevenge that a game in Ames is much cheaper for travel, and also much easier on the players. In Arizona they climbed on a plane near midnight and flew home overnight. In Ames they got on a bus and were in their apartments 3 hrs later.

Its a fun game that Kirk seems to think is a good test for his team.

That said, I agree with others that if a 9-game conference schedule happens, it'd stink to have ISU be the only BCS team Iowa plays. If 9 games happens, I'd like to see Iowa/ISU played 2 out of every 4 or 6 years. Four would make the most sense so every class is guaranteed a home and home.

 

[eyekwah]

Cyclone Fanatic has a link to Jon's article. While not universal there are a fair number of fans that want to see the series end or would accept a situation where Iowa and ISU play two games every four or six years. As one poster stated, the circumstances have changed for both schools and it is time to evaluate whether it makes sense to play each season.

The decision ultimately will be decided by the B1G conference office. If 9 games is the order and Iowa has only 4 conference home dates in 2015 then the series will end. I do not look for the Big XII to do any favors for the Big Ten or Pac 12. The Big XII canceled the basketball series with the PAC 12.

I've looked at some future schedules and there few if any B1G conference teams playing Big XII teams. Indiana has one game scheduled with Mizzou and the Iowa games vs ISU are the only conference matchups through 2015. Scheduling Iowa with only four conference HOME games in 2015 is a distinct possibility.

 

[PhoenixHawk]

I think changing the series so that the two teams meet @4 times per decade or so would be perfect. It might increase the hype and anticipation a bit, and give it a fresher feel since the teams wouldn't be so familiar to each other. And rather than 2 years on, two off, going 2 on, 4 off would give Iowa a chance to keep more BCS programs from around the country in the mix if we go to 9 conference games, and allow us to schedule at least 3 cupcakes to boost our overall record (standard operating procedure for most top-25 programs) going into conference play.

 

[TecmoBowl]

I wouldn't have a problem with the game played every other year.
That's still fairly frequent with a decent amount of build up, and leads to a possible bowl match-up during off years.

Those 2 paired up in a bowl would look rather attractive to a committee knowing the whole state is coming down for that game. With friends/family on both sides attending, hard to think the game wouldn't easily sell out.

 

[Saginawbay]

Series will not end even when we go to 9 game season it is really important game for the state of Iowa and especially ISU will not let it go away it is a game that is essential for ISU.

 

[Clonehomer]

I think changing the series so that the two teams meet @4 times per decade or so would be perfect. It might increase the hype and anticipation a bit, and give it a fresher feel since the teams wouldn't be so familiar to each other. And rather than 2 years on, two off, going 2 on, 4 off would give Iowa a chance to keep more BCS programs from around the country in the mix if we go to 9 conference games, and allow us to schedule at least 3 cupcakes to boost our overall record (standard operating procedure for most top-25 programs) going into conference play.

The problem with 2 on 4 off is that there will be classes that go through without playing in the rivalry. That is why 2 out of 4 years would be ideal in my mind. Whether you do it back to back or every other year wouldn't really matter. In fact, the every other year approach could work even if the two conference schedules didn't line up.

 

[PhoenixHawk]

The problem with 2 on 4 off is that there will be classes that go through without playing in the rivalry. That is why 2 out of 4 years would be ideal in my mind. Whether you do it back to back or every other year wouldn't really matter. In fact, the every other year approach could work even if the two conference schedules didn't line up.

I can see your point, but don't really think any players are making their decisions on attending the schools based on being able to play the other. If some kid is so intent on playing ISU, he'd be better off taking a KSU scholly than an Iowa one. I'd rather have the kid that wants a piece of Michigan or (now) Nebraska every year. And I really don't thinkgoing to 2 games out of six necessarily has to mean that they always go four years straight without playing. You could always do a 10 year schedule that looks like this: G/-/-/G/-/G/-/-/G/-. This would be similar to how we're doing the Pitt series with the odd game spacing.

The counter argument for Iowa is that for recruiting and exposure puposes, Iowa really needs to continue regularly playing different BCS teams from around the country, and the possibilty of having to spend half of the non-conference BCS slots on one in state rival would have to be seen as a negative versus getting an additional series or two a decade with a Rutgers, Maryland, or other school in an area in which Iowa and the BT could use the exposure.