Miller: Rutgers with Strong Hand; Make Way for Nebraska & Mizzou?
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trj
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That was my initial argument as well. I thought NY was a pro and college basketball town. Listen to Jon and Deace this morning and apparently a 2006 Rutgers regular season game got a 8.1 rating(I get rating and share mixed up) which is a really good number for a sporting event.
Financially, of the three "east coast" teams(Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Rutgers) Rutgers makes the most sense.
My personal preference:
1) Notre Dame by themselves.
2) Pittsburgh- Does nothing financially for the Big Ten, geographically I believe Pittsburgh is maybe an hour or so from the Ohio border, so from a geographical standpoint it makes a little more sense. If Pittsburgh comes it has to be part of a package deal. Most importantly, I am a steeler fan and thought of a Steeler-Hawkeye weekend in Pittsburgh would be perfect.
3)Rutgers- Does nothing for me personally, but NOW after looking at the financial numbers it probably makes the most sense. If Rutgers comes it has to be part of a package deal.
4)Syracuse- IF it was strictly about college BB, this would be my choice, but we all know it is about football so, naah.
Right. It would not surprise me if the expansion talk goes on and on about Rutgers, Mizzou, etc, and then Notre Dame gets in at the last moment by its lonesome.
If you get Notre Dame, you get the NY/NJ market--as least as much as Rutgers has the market. And you get the KC/StL markets. And the LA market. And Dallas, and ...
olivecourt
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Yes-- and not just basketball. College football is huge in NYC-- it's just not as visible because there is no obvious home team. But there are a ton of sports bars in Manhattan that cater to specific teams and conferences and that are packed all day on Saturday. When I lived there I tried to go watch the Iowa-Iowa State game at Blondie's on the Upper West Side-- got there two hours early and there was already a 20-person long line out the door. There's a Flordia State bar closer to downtown that you have to camp out at before noon to get a table for a night game. Every school has a ton of alumni in NYC-- I met more Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State fans there than I have anywhere else. Going to alumni association events (which are often centered around football games) is a great way to meet people in a huge city, and it seems like people are even more vocal about their home team when they are far away from it.
So true. I know a number of NYC Iowa fans...and the rest of the Big Ten is there in numbers also. NYC will never be a college fb-centric town,but even a partial audience is enough to boost the BTN big time.
I agree with Jon that many folks just do not grasp the whole point of expansion...increasing the footprint of BTN is reason #1A after the whole conference title game...As it stands right now, a business pub estimated that BTN net value will be 1-2 billion by 2012...add in a NY presence,and that will be closer to 2-2.5 billion...follow the money,gang...it is in ratings and TV's...
That is why I think Rutgers is the right choice. Am I dazzled by their program? No, but that can change. Adding ND is choice #1...and adding ND,Rutgers,and Mo. would be the home run..or just ND.
Failing ND's inclusion, give us Rutgers,Mo. and Nebraska and you have achieved a lot of the goals...tv sets on the east coast, tv sets in St Louis and KC, and national football program in Neb....I could live with it even tho I do have resistance to Mo....they are south of mason dixon and not a union state...or Big Ten state...southern mo is like Bama or Miss...backward and redneck.
83Hawk
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I am still unconvinced the Rutgers would bring more to the table financially than Nebraska.
So *one* Rutgers game got an 8.1 rating. *yawn*
I don't have proof, but I'd be willing to bet there are more people nationally (and more TV screens) who would watch Nebraska play than Rutgers.
If Rutgers were part of a 3 team expansion (which I am against to begin with) that includes a midwester team or two (like ND, Nebraska, Missouri)...then fine. Otherwise I say "pass".
So *one* Rutgers game got an 8.1 rating. *yawn*
I don't have proof, but I'd be willing to bet there are more people nationally (and more TV screens) who would watch Nebraska play than Rutgers.
If Rutgers were part of a 3 team expansion (which I am against to begin with) that includes a midwester team or two (like ND, Nebraska, Missouri)...then fine. Otherwise I say "pass".
DuffMan
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You are 100% dead wrong.
In order to watch your school play your cable company first has to offer the B10 network. If Nebby joins the B10 cable companies throughout the great state of Nebraska will add the network. These cable companies serve roughly 27 people.
When Rutgers joins the B10 the cable companies throughout the New Jersey and NYC areas will offer the B10 network. These cable companies have the potnetial to serve 20,000,000 or so people.
You can't watch a b10 game unless you can get the B10 network. Adding NYC and NJ markets not only gives you the Rutgers following in that area but also the B10 grads living in the area whose numbers are significant. Therefore adding Rutgers brings much much much much much more money than adding Nebraska.
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I wish I could have heard this morning's 7:00am hour. it is the same as the 6am last I checked. so I couldn't listen to the B10 expansion talk.
any thoughts on maybe going with Rutgers, Mizzu, & Kansas (they are in Kansas City aren't they? You'd get New York, St. Louis & both halfs of Kansas City.
any thoughts on maybe going with Rutgers, Mizzu, & Kansas (they are in Kansas City aren't they? You'd get New York, St. Louis & both halfs of Kansas City.
jshawks
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Rutgers as a lone option is still a fail in my book. However, as part of a 3 team deal which would include Nebby and Mizzou...I could get excited about that! It would also allow the conference to keep the name Big 10, as it would be in reference to the number of states that member schools reside in. Now that would be a Grand Slam in my book!
This is a very interesting counter-argument to the "Rutgers to the Big 10" crowd. Adam Rittenberg posted it in his Big Ten Lunch Links, but the author is Rivals, Esq., part of the SB Nation.
Counterpoint - Rutgers Doesn't Deserve the Big Ten - The Rivalry, Esq.
Go Hawks!
Counterpoint - Rutgers Doesn't Deserve the Big Ten - The Rivalry, Esq.
Go Hawks!
imported_ankle23
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That's two of us.
HawKCP
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I'm in the same boat when it comes to Notre Dame...I would say Notre Dame or no one. The one thing that I wouldn't mind seeing is someone from a power conference who is good year in and year out.
I have made the argument to a Notre Dame friend of mine that the Big Ten regular season schedule is more of a grind than it is to play in any other conference because of injuries and just getting physically beaten down week in and week out. Notre Dame gets weeks off throughout the season and plays service academies...other conferences just don't seem to me to play as tough as the Big Ten. So it would be interesting to see a team like LSU or Texas and see how they handle the gring.
I have made the argument to a Notre Dame friend of mine that the Big Ten regular season schedule is more of a grind than it is to play in any other conference because of injuries and just getting physically beaten down week in and week out. Notre Dame gets weeks off throughout the season and plays service academies...other conferences just don't seem to me to play as tough as the Big Ten. So it would be interesting to see a team like LSU or Texas and see how they handle the gring.
83Hawk
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Duff, just because there would be x number of "potential" people doesn't mean those people will all be watching Rutgers. In actuality, probably only a small number.
I believe more people in Big 10 country would tune in to watch a football game between Nebraska and another Big 10 school than Rutgers. (like it or not...football is King)
But.....that is my opinion. You can't say I'm "dead wrong" until the event actually takes place. If the Big 10 adds one team and it is Rutgers, and TV ratings go thru the roof with millions upon millions of people watching Rutgers and the Big 10 makes oodles more money.....then I'll be glad to admit I'm wrong.
In the meantime, I'll stick with my belief that adding Rutgers (alone) will go over like a lead balloon with most Big 10 fans.
I guess we'll see what happens!
P.S.......this little quote from one of the articles is telling: "Fans wonder: Does New York care about Rutgers? The simplest answer: When Rutgers wins, yes."
Note the words "when Rutgers wins". Their history does not have much winning, particularly in football. How well do you think they are going to do against a Big 10 schedule? Likely cellar-dwellers which means....fan apathy and TV's tuned to pro sports.
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AEGHawkeye
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I concur...Rutgers would be a disaster IMO if they came in alone. I honestly still wouldn't want them even if we were to add the other teams. It's amazing how people forget that Rutgers is considered one of the worst football programs of all time. It's amazing what a small time span in a weak conference can do for a team. I think they still bring nothing to the conference as a whole. No disrespect to RU but what else can honestly be said about that football team. Now adding Nebby is a great idea and Mizzou is a somewhat decent pick as well but we can def. do better than Rutgers!
HawKCP
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Those last two posts make me think of what GT fans said during the weeks leading up to the Orange Bowl. Atlanta would be a pretty sizable tv market...but if you were to add GT you wouldn't put much of a dent in that market. Georgia is the big ticket in Atlanta.
People in NY have to watch college football...the question is who do they watch?
Adding Rutgers as a way to get into the NY tv market would be akin to adding Northwestern in an attempt to break into the Chicago tv market.
People in NY have to watch college football...the question is who do they watch?
Adding Rutgers as a way to get into the NY tv market would be akin to adding Northwestern in an attempt to break into the Chicago tv market.
DuffMan
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83 hawk you have to follow the money. The B10 network gets what a buck per cable/satelite customer with the channel?
Putting the B10 network on every sattelite and cable TV in NJ and NYC makes much more money for the B10 than adding Nebraska and it's not even really close.
Putting the B10 network on every sattelite and cable TV in NJ and NYC makes much more money for the B10 than adding Nebraska and it's not even really close.
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KCP-
I think that Northwestern (Chicago) analogy is a great one. I am hoping that Jim Delany's conservative, "I will not allow the Big 10 to be pushed into something for the sake of doing it" mentality prevails and they either land a big name or do not expand.
Go Hawks!
I think that Northwestern (Chicago) analogy is a great one. I am hoping that Jim Delany's conservative, "I will not allow the Big 10 to be pushed into something for the sake of doing it" mentality prevails and they either land a big name or do not expand.
Go Hawks!
