TheeHawkeye
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Why does Brommer play? Give me a break. His defense is terrible. He's out of position every time. Instead of helping on the dribble drive he was guarding number 50, 25 feet from the basket.
Miller: Hawks Don't Get Stops; Lose to Purdue
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nationalchamps
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JD - I'm guessing Josh was out of the game late because Fran was upset with him at some of his shot selections in the second half. He took a few quick hitters that obviously didn't help momentum at times.
TheeHawkeye
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He took one shot in the second half.
JonDMiller
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You are likely right in the Bill Jones pull, being a gangly guy who was a tall PG...I have been amazed at what Marble has been doing with the ball in his hands this year, but still think the three is his likely future and best position.
As for Les and Lohaus, not saying these guys didn't come a long way. They certainly did. But Jepsen was on a slow ladder...15 pts as a frosh, 35 as a soph, 139 as a junior then the breakout 417 as a senior in 1989-1990, where he averaged 14.9/10.0. He was drafted #28 that year, which meant all of the five members of his recruiting class were drafted (Marble, Armstrong, Horton and Gamble)
But Les' senior season, that was a bad team. They were 12-16
I was going to say the same thing. Maybe a little Andre Banks-ish as well.
Or a poor man's Antoine Joubert
sportstalent
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I am going to have to disagree with Jon on this one. Iowa played good enough defense to win the game. The real issue is that Iowa cannot play in a half court. The problem is other than Marble, there is nobody that can get to the basket.
May was not the only person defending Hummel, to have him shoot the way he did, everyone chipped in and with May on the bench for an extended period, Hummel didn't score a bunch of points. There are two starters that would not start for any BIG team and I feel comfortable saying that, not to say they can't be good role players. If either of them start next season, it will be very disappointing, or Iowa's incoming players aren't as good as advertised.
Also, Iowa last year, forced the ball into the post and essentially there are the same players on the roster, minus Cole. It makes little to no sense that Iowa doesn't force the ball into Basabe, he actually passed out of a double team last night and Purdue stopped doubling him. There were so many times that Basabe had some of the best position a post player can get and yet, nothing.
The only way Iowa will ever have success in the half-court is to force things through Basabe, he was a black hole last year, but he has improved and is seeing the double team much better this season. If it is less than 10 seconds in the shot clock, just get him the ball, if he misses a shot or turns it over it is no worse than what is going on now in the half court. Even just pass it in to him and then a quick pass back out, keep him involved, if not, he gets more frustrated and disappears.
Basabe and Marble are Iowa's best rebounders, followed by White. Nobody else on the team understands the concept of rebounding, especially the whole blocking out thing and hustling thing when the ball is loose.
Iowa missed so many easy shots last night and let DJ flippin' Byrd score 14 pts when he averages 4.2, that is what cost Iowa the game. Another factor in the game was, the folks on the floor at the end of the game...not sure why the best three point shooter isn't in the game when there is 45.5 seconds left. Iowa needed possesions, put Purdue on the line, get the best shooters on the floor. Instead, rely on the defense to get a stop at the most critical part of the game. Even though Iowa did play good enough defense to win, it is not their strong suit and it is not surprising that Iowa didn't get the key stop to get the ball back.
It was a good game to watch, unfortunately Iowa didn't win. There were some good things, but the same things continue to haunt them, except turnovers that has been significantly better this year.
Probably the best moment was seeing Gatens get the rebound at the end, took it up the floor with zero hesitation and buried the three. Where has that been, hopefully he can do that more.
May was not the only person defending Hummel, to have him shoot the way he did, everyone chipped in and with May on the bench for an extended period, Hummel didn't score a bunch of points. There are two starters that would not start for any BIG team and I feel comfortable saying that, not to say they can't be good role players. If either of them start next season, it will be very disappointing, or Iowa's incoming players aren't as good as advertised.
Also, Iowa last year, forced the ball into the post and essentially there are the same players on the roster, minus Cole. It makes little to no sense that Iowa doesn't force the ball into Basabe, he actually passed out of a double team last night and Purdue stopped doubling him. There were so many times that Basabe had some of the best position a post player can get and yet, nothing.
The only way Iowa will ever have success in the half-court is to force things through Basabe, he was a black hole last year, but he has improved and is seeing the double team much better this season. If it is less than 10 seconds in the shot clock, just get him the ball, if he misses a shot or turns it over it is no worse than what is going on now in the half court. Even just pass it in to him and then a quick pass back out, keep him involved, if not, he gets more frustrated and disappears.
Basabe and Marble are Iowa's best rebounders, followed by White. Nobody else on the team understands the concept of rebounding, especially the whole blocking out thing and hustling thing when the ball is loose.
Iowa missed so many easy shots last night and let DJ flippin' Byrd score 14 pts when he averages 4.2, that is what cost Iowa the game. Another factor in the game was, the folks on the floor at the end of the game...not sure why the best three point shooter isn't in the game when there is 45.5 seconds left. Iowa needed possesions, put Purdue on the line, get the best shooters on the floor. Instead, rely on the defense to get a stop at the most critical part of the game. Even though Iowa did play good enough defense to win, it is not their strong suit and it is not surprising that Iowa didn't get the key stop to get the ball back.
It was a good game to watch, unfortunately Iowa didn't win. There were some good things, but the same things continue to haunt them, except turnovers that has been significantly better this year.
Probably the best moment was seeing Gatens get the rebound at the end, took it up the floor with zero hesitation and buried the three. Where has that been, hopefully he can do that more.
RocknRollface
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Could not agree more on how they ignore Basabe in the post, its ridiculous.
I would chew some major *** if I was Fran. Gatens and May seem to be incapable of feeding the post and Marble is not much better.
Josh Ogelsby and White seem to be the only ones who understand how to make a simple post feed.
I would chew some major *** if I was Fran. Gatens and May seem to be incapable of feeding the post and Marble is not much better.
Josh Ogelsby and White seem to be the only ones who understand how to make a simple post feed.
sportstalent
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Oglesby and White seem to get benched when they make a bad pass. It is kind of odd since those two seem to see the court pretty well.
I don't have any issues with how Marble plays, he is the one truly aggresive player that Iowa has. He takes some bad shots and forces a couple every now and then, but I will take his overall game right now because he is going to get nothing but better.
jacknicholson
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I really like Josh's passing and ball handling. I even liked that behind-the-back pass, a few games ago, that bounced off McCabe's hands under the basket, just before he had to sit on the bench. This team certainly could use all the creativity available. Love it when Josh and Aaron are both in the game. They seem to play off each other well.
I wonder if floor spacing would help open the middle for Basabe. I believe that Woodbury will help significantly, drawing pressure away from Melsohn next season.....
sportstalent
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I really like Josh's passing and ball handling. I even liked that behind-the-back pass, a few games ago, that bounced off McCabe's hands under the basket, just before he had to sit on the bench. This team certainly could use all the creativity available. Love it when Josh and Aaron are both in the game. They seem to play off each other well.
I wonder if floor spacing would help open the middle for Basabe. I believe that Woodbury will help significantly, drawing pressure away from Melsohn next season.....
Yes, and Josh got benched after it like it was his fault McCabe didn't catch the ball. Oglesby is creative and sees the floor very well, he has two passes go off people's hands when they were standing around watching him create and weren't ready for the ball when he passed it too them. Happens to be the two starters that should lose their starting spots and most of their playing time when the new recruits get there.
White forces a few shots now and then, but he has great court awareness as well.
Iowa is going to be much better off long-term with the freshman/sophomoreclasses become junior/senior rather than how it stands today. I expect the sophomore/junior class to score about 70% of Iowa's points next year, while the freshman and bench can be contributors and not fillers.
jacknicholson
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When Fran has all his horses in the race, it will be a different game.....
I really like the progress Fran and the team are making. It will make this season easier to digest, if they continue to improve, and play with the intensity and effort as they are now.....
All that said, Wisconsin looms large....
They look very good this year, but we gave them all they could handle at Carver last year. It took all the badgering Bo could muster and a bad call on Cartwright to win....
I really like the progress Fran and the team are making. It will make this season easier to digest, if they continue to improve, and play with the intensity and effort as they are now.....
All that said, Wisconsin looms large....
They look very good this year, but we gave them all they could handle at Carver last year. It took all the badgering Bo could muster and a bad call on Cartwright to win....
Herkyalert
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I was really hoping Gatens was going to step up the other night. He just never got it going.
Is it fair to say that Marble is the "leader" of the team?
Is it fair to say that Marble is the "leader" of the team?
