Miller: Getting Defensive

I think "gimmick" is about the worst way to describe Iowa's defense. "Plain vanilla" or something, but "gimmick" is the exact opposite of what we run.

I could be swayed that this is not a top 10 defense, despite the statistics. Iowa's entire philosophy (such as punting from the opponent's 35 yard line on occasion) contributes to the defensive stats while somewhat limiting the offensive stats. But I would like to see someone list 10 better defenses.
 
Our defense is also designed to cover up the weaknesses... this year it's the middle of the defense. It's interesting no one (forgive me if I missed it) has mentioned that those same QB's that are dinking, are attacking our weaknesses on the D. Our CB's and LB's were relatively inexperienced before the season began and even more so now due to injuries...
 
I am sorry, but you are all crazy. You expect perfection, especially in "crunch time".

Have you ever thought maybe the scheme isn't the issue all the time, but sometimes the players just don't make the plays? Sometimes the other team plays better than Iowa.

I wanted Iowa to go to the NC this year too, but to have expected it is ridiculous. Iowa has never gone undefeated and probably won't anytime soon. The great '85 and '02 teams each lost twice, and this year it may turn out the same way.

I love all the armchair coaching going on. You guys don't think KF and crew haven't already thought long and hard about their defensive philosophy and and the pros and cons, risks and rewards. They can and do digest it all off season.

I am not saying you can't critize them either, but complaining about the scheme that has been in place for 12 years and has produced results and isn't changing anytime soon, is just a waste of time.
 
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I'll end my time on this thread with this:

A lot of us will probably just agree to disagree on this topic. However, what is refreshing to see is there was not one instance of someone calling another an idiot, a moron, etc, etc while debating this topic. Not too often that that happens.
 
Name 10 defenses better than Iowa's.

1.Nebraska
2.TCU
3.Ohio State
4.Alabama
5.LSU
6.Oregon
7.Missouri
8. Arizona
9. Florida State
10. before last weekend I would say Illinois...
11. Clemson

Look at offensive rankings, our defense really hasn't faced a lot of great offenses.
 
Like someone else already mentioned, the defense was suppose to be the backbone of our team this year. With the game on the line vs Wisconsin, we got the ball run down our throat.

Is this defense good? Sure. But are they a top 5 or even top 10 defense? I just don't think so. Regardless of stats, I don't think this defense is one of the 10 best in college football this year.

Jon you may disagree, but I think your Iowa bias is showing a bit.

Name 10 better defenses.
 
You might say it is "plain vanilla" when it comes to getting more pressure on the QB. But, I don't think it would be inaccurate to say that Iowa's defense is at least somewhat gimmicky. As I stated and another person stated below me, it is used to make up for weaknesses in other areas. For example, taking away the long pass vs giving up the short stuff. There is nothing wrong with that, except we rely on this scheme pretty much throughout most of our games. It is no different from the basketball team that plays zone defense all through the game because they don't have the personal to play man to man straight up or they want to try to take away the stuff underneath the basket. But, then the offense finds those soft spots in the zone (perimeter or that free thrown line area) and they exploit it. But, I love zone defense just as much as I think man to man is important. Getting back to football, I just wish we would find times to switch it up more. Be a little less predictable. Give something else for the other team to worry about it.
 
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1.Nebraska
2.TCU
3.Ohio State
4.Alabama
5.LSU
6.Oregon
7.Missouri
8. Arizona
9. Florida State
10. before last weekend I would say Illinois...
11. Clemson

Look at offensive rankings, our defense really hasn't faced a lot of great offenses.

Didn't Missouri give up 300 yards to Hulu just two weeks ago? Missouri doesn't have a good defense.

Illinois, sorry, who have they shut down?

Arizona, we moved the ball pretty well on them.
 
I will say that my beef isn't as much that our defense has gotten beat in 'crunch' time as much as the scheme really limits just how good our defense can be. There will always be holes in the zone that can be exploited, no matter how good our personnel is. That is frustrating.

This year, we had an unusual convergence of experience & talent returning. The front 4 is comparable to the '02 unit (I wager to say better, if measured by the upcoming draft)...The pair of safeties are better than any pair I can remember...Prater will be 2nd team all-B10 and Hyde is slightly above average (and improving), imo...

Indiana should have been a team we could have just physically & athletically overwhelmed. They don't even pretend that they are going to run the ball & their QB is fairly accurate, but totally immobile. OSU overwhelmed them, primarily by not conceding the short passes. Our front 4 & secondary are superior to OSU. Yet, we are content to let IU play to their strengths, control the clock, shorten the game, & negate our front 4 (causing our depleted linebacking core to be even MORE of a factor). We could just as well of had our 4 draft picks up front watching from the sidelines....

The scheme is limiting the talent & abilities of this years' group, imo...particularly against teams that are content to dink & dunk & be patient...
 
1.Nebraska
2.TCU
3.Ohio State
4.Alabama
5.LSU
6.Oregon
7.Missouri
8. Arizona
9. Florida State
10. before last weekend I would say Illinois...
11. Clemson

Look at offensive rankings, our defense really hasn't faced a lot of great offenses.

That's a good list, all very good defensive teams. But if we're saying that these teams are clearly better than us, and that the criteria for GREAT defenses is that they step up when it counts, then...

Cross off Ohio State. They were within 3 points of Wisconsin and badly needed a stop, 11:00 to go in the 4th quarter. 80 yards later, touchdown Badgers.

Cross off Florida State. They lost their last two games by giving up late game-winning drives, to NC State and North Carolina. They also gave up 47 to Oklahoma.

Cross off Bama. Nursing a 1-point need and badly needing to stop LSU on 4th and 1, they gave up a 23-yard reverse that led to a TD. Oh, and they gave up 35 to South Carolina.

Cross off Nebraska... they blew a 14-point fourth quarter lead to Iowa State, and if you want to say Iowa got lucky at Indiana, how can you not say Nebraska did too?

I could go on. I'm not saying it makes Iowa clearly better than these teams, but it's equally tough to say that they are clearly better than us. It's easy to idealize other teams, but every defense gives up big plays and key drives. Iowa limits those things as well as anyone in the country.
 
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1.Nebraska
2.TCU
3.Ohio State
4.Alabama
5.LSU
6.Oregon
7.Missouri
8. Arizona
9. Florida State
10. before last weekend I would say Illinois...
11. Clemson

Look at offensive rankings, our defense really hasn't faced a lot of great offenses.

Lets just start with #1 Nebraska. They faced the #3 offense in the nation and gave up 41 pts 459 yards and 212 rushing in a 10 pt win against OK St. Gave up 24 pts in regulation 360 yards and 157 rushing in their "bad" game against Iowa St. (We gave up 7 pts, 275 and 78 rushing against the same team).

We faced the #5 offense in a 10 pt win againstMichigan and gave up 28 pts 522 yards and 187 rushing. In our "bad" game we gave up 13 pts, 313 yards and 91 rushing in a 5 pt win at Indy.

We also had better numbers against Wisconsin than Ohio State. TCU plays plays pop warner. Illinois, seriously?
 
That's fair....

You can make all the excuses you want, but the point remains.....we WERE there in crunch time, tied or ahead in both ball games with less than 5 minutes to go and our, historically, best unit on the field to decide the game. Both times they came up short and if not for a dropped pass in the end zone, would have been 0-3 in crunch-time defensive stops.

For as much as you don't want to admit, greatness is determined not by what you do when it doesn't matter, but what you do when it DOES matter.

but I guess I look at it as greatness is defined when looking at the overall picture, not by some slice of plays. Iowa isn't even in a position to lose the Arizona game without the play of the defense, forcing a turnover deep in our own territory and scoring 6 points themselves with Binns' pick six. Was the game not on the line when Binns made that play? Had Iowa just given up a FG drive when down by 6 to go down by 9, then the offense would have sputtered I guess by your definition the defense would have played better.

The Iowa defense played great against MSU, absolutely fantastic. But since greatness is ONLY determined by how you play when "it matters" (whatever that means) that doesn't count.

For every failure of the Iowa defense over the years, I can probably point out a time where they came through. When games are close at the end. sometimes the offense scores to tie/win it, and sometimes they don't.

2003 - Iowa 30, Michigan 27. Michigan scores with 3:43 to go. Iowa goes 3 and out, Michigan gets the ball back with more than 2 minutes left. Iowa holds them on downs just across midfield.
2004 - Iowa 27, Wisconsin 21. Considine bats down Stocco pass from the 4-yard line as time expires.
2004 - Iowa 17, ISU 10. ISU gets ball with 1:35 left and down by 7. ISU turns ball over on downs at the Iowa 34.
2004 - Iowa 6, Penn State 4. PSU gets ball at own 20 with 2:41 left. Iowa sacks Robinson and recovers fumble. Game over.
2004 - Iowa 29 Minnesota 27. Minnesota drives the ball down 2, only to have Rhys Lloyd miss from 51 yards at the end.
2005 - Iowa 20, Michigan 23. Michigan gives up drive to Iowa as Schlicher kicks FG to force OT.
2005 - Northwestern 28, Iowa 27. Cats score 14 points in final 3:30 to win the game.
2006 - Iowa 20, Syracuse 13. The stand.
2006 - Indiana 31, Iowa 28. Tate is intercepted at the IU 30-yard line with 3 minutes to go. Iowa defense can't stop IU and they run out the clock.
2006 - Wisconsin 24, Iowa 21. Iowa gets ball at own 33 with 3:29 to go. Iowa gets no first downs and turns it over on downs.
2007 - ISU 15, Iowa 13. Blythe to Bates sets up ISU's field goal at the end to win.
2007 - Wisconsin 17, Iowa 13. Iowa has ball with 2 minutes to go at own 25 but can't get a first down.
2007 - Iowa 10, Illinois 6. Greenwood seals win with pick in end zone.
2007 - Iowa 34, MSU 27. IOwa gives up FG at end of regulation to go into OT.
2008 - Pitt 21, Iowa 20. Iowa holds Pitt to 3 and out under 3 minutes to go, but Iowa gets 1 first down after Pitt punt puts Hawks at 1-yard line.
2008 - Northwestern 22, Iowa 17. Iowa D forces punt with 4 minutes to go. Iowa drives down field only to fail on 4 tries inside NW 10 yard line.
2008 - MSU 16, Iowa 13. The failed-fourth down try by Greene.
2008 - Illinois 27, Iowa 24. Hawks rally furiously, only to see Illinois kick FG at end.
2008 - Iowa 24, PSU 23. Sash pick gives Iowa a chance to drive field and send Daniel Murray into Iowa history.
2008 - Iowa 22, Purdue 17. Purdue chucking ball into end zone as game ends.
2009 - Michigan game, Iowa's defense picks of Robinson to seal win. MSU, Iowa defense gives up TD only to see offense return the favor. Northwestern, Iowa can't mount anything with Vandenberg at the helm. Ohio State, Iowa D forces punt at end of regulation. Iowa runs the ball, goes to OT, and loses.

If you play in close games, you will have some that you win and some that you will lose. We've won games by taking it down the field. We've lost games by not being able to score. We've won games by stopping the opponent at the end, we've lost games by having the other team score at the end. There's no way to magically make Iowa succeed every time a game comes down to the final possession.
 
Like someone else already mentioned, the defense was suppose to be the backbone of our team this year. With the game on the line vs Wisconsin, we got the ball run down our throat.

Is this defense good? Sure. But are they a top 5 or even top 10 defense? I just don't think so. Regardless of stats, I don't think this defense is one of the 10 best in college football this year.

Jon you may disagree, but I think your Iowa bias is showing a bit.

Iowa freaking bias? We are talking about one the best examples of consistent defensive execution of the past decade.

yeah, that's Iowa bias.

It's nothing more than my opinion does not align with yours or others, so I must be biased. And since yours doesn't align with mine, I think you are unrealistic ;)
 
if our O drops 40 on Indy, does anyone even mention the D? the D is what has kept us in games and won most of them over the last ten years. do some of you expect shutouts every other game? how much more can they do?
 
1.Nebraska
2.TCU
3.Ohio State
4.Alabama
5.LSU
6.Oregon
7.Missouri
8. Arizona
9. Florida State
10. before last weekend I would say Illinois...
11. Clemson

Look at offensive rankings, our defense really hasn't faced a lot of great offenses.

Ohio St has faced one good team, gave up 31 points, including two fourth quarter TD drives to them. Alabama has twice been unable to get stops against good opponents, So Car and LSU. They gave up well over 400 yards to an LSU team that struggled to score on Tennessee. The fact that we watch Iowa all the time allows us to see all their faults and be more critical towards them than we are to other teams around the nation.
 
Iowa played a top 10 offense and gave up 28 points.

Also gave up 31 to Wisconsin.

And gave up 20 to Arizona.

My point? Iowa's defense has been "had" several times this year.

I'm just saying, I feel sometimes your not always looking at things with an unbias opinion.
 
People are missing my point with my top ten.

Most of those teams have faced better offenses.

Ball State? Iowa State? EIU? Penn State?

When we face a decent offense, Wisconsin 31, Michigan 28 and Arizona 20.
 

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