Mike Gundy

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I got a better idea. How about we meet in person?

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Just my two cents but when both democrats and republicans are being raked through the mud in this thread I don't see any reason why going after Trump would be any different. Shots have been taken at democrats and republicans constantly no reason the president should be safe.
I think it was the "everyone who supports him" part that was in question.
 
This is what's hilarious. You speak from a white lower middle class perspective and you talk about Democrats shipping jobs overseas. You've got it wrong. Businesses ship jobs overseas...the Republican Party is the party of big business. They are the ones giving these corporations all the tax breaks with no requirements for job creation. All they are concerned about is profits...not the working class or lower level employee.

This is just blind ignorance. Absolutely blind. Both parties are absolutely the party of big business, it's just that the Democrats have a really, really, really good marketing machine to make you think they are not. On taxes, I disagree with Trump's cuts to personal rates, but think Trump got it right on corporate taxes because what happened is our tax rates were sofaking high that a shitload of companies either re-domiciled or engaged in activities where they domiciled all of their intellectual property in Ireland, Singapore or Luxembourg and then shifted a huge chunk of profits overseas through intercompany licenses. The corporate rate should be low enough to be competitive globally and avoid that shit and the personal rates should probably be Clinton-era levels across the board (with adjustments for inflation) because the federal government deficit is just too damned big. You claw the tax out of the companies when they make dividends or distributions and they show up on personal returns.

The oligarchs and senior brass at big businesses overwhelming favor Democrats. Buffett, Gates, Bezos. There are definitely rich guys who back the GOP like in ag and everyone's favorite boogeyman, the Koch Brothers, but at the end of the day, the true elite (who skew heavily toward California and NYC) favor the DNC by a WIDE margin.

We had what, 30 years of lip service on immigration? Both parties talked tough, but at the end of the day, the folks stroking the checks with access have them both captive on immigration. Big business wants two huge things out of government: (1) cheap labor, and (2) domestic population growth to expand their consumer base. Companies like Apple don't give a shit what the tax rate is because they just ship their IP to Ireland and license it back, so they pay their income tax in fucking Ireland. That's been going on for years. Did the DNC control of the legislative and executive branches end that? Hell no. But again, current immigration policy is heavily focused on cutting labor costs and that goes for the oligarchs who run the ag businesses like the Perdue or Tyson families (who are GOP) all the way up to the tech darlings of Silicon Valley, who demand a massive stream of H1-B laborers every year. Remember how good meat packing jobs in Iowa used to pay? It wasn't the GOP who broke the unions, it was immigration. If you have a willing pool of backup labor, you can simply wait out the union on a strike and tell them to kindly get fucked. Economics is always going to prevail. And of course, each party has at different times had varying political motivations behind immigration. Reagan presumed that the Cubans would be a reliable conservative voting bloc, so he cut a deal. That laid the groundwork for where we are today, where the DNC sees political advantage after running a critical race theory strategy for years.

Trade. Who signed NAFTA? I forgot. Another Party of Big Government special, didn't matter if you voted GOP or Dem. Only Ross Perot pushed back on that.

Dude, it's a fucking disaster, but we as a society CANNOT get complacent about this shit these huge companies are shoving down our throats. If you have a highly divided populace, it makes it really fucking easy to loot it.
 
He shot him in the fucking back. Why not just let the guy go on and pick him up later? Instead you kill him. Jesus H. Christ! Are you crazy?

He shot a violent criminal in the back seconds after being in a fight for his life and as the guy was turning around to shoot the taser at him again. I'm far from saying it was the ideal thing to do. But put yourself in that cops shoes for 2 seconds and picture the intense fight he was just in. I would really hope we could all agree if the guy had a gun instead of a taser it would have been justified (although I'm not even sure if that's the case anymore). But if we can agree on that, then just think if the guy hits the cop with the taser. All he has to do is run over and grab his gun while he's shaking and shoot him in the face. If a cop can't pull the trigger as a guy is shooting his taser at him after wrestling it from him, then a lot of cops are going to start dying on the job. Just a really bad situation that cops have to deal with while keyboard cowards sit here and criticize how they handled the fight for their life.
 
Fight for his life? Hahahah, nice try.
Have you seen the video? They were wrestling for the taser and the other guy won. That was a battle that once the cop lost, he was at the mercy of if the guy was going to kill him or not. Since the guy luckily started running instead of continuing to fight, the fight for his life was over. But my point was, for those seconds, the cop knew keeping the taser out of that guys hand was life and death. In his mind, he was in a fight for his life. The emotions that had to be running through him 3 seconds later when he pulled the trigger had to be overwhelming. Do you at least understand that? I completely understand that the second he pulled the trigger, in a vacuum, was wrong. But the way that 30 seconds played out, it's really hard to condemn the guy. This is coming from a guy who can't stand power hungry cops.
 
Have you seen the video? They were wrestling for the taser and the other guy won. That was a battle that once the cop lost, he was at the mercy of if the guy was going to kill him or not. Since the guy luckily started running instead of continuing to fight, the fight for his life was over. But my point was, for those seconds, the cop knew keeping the taser out of that guys hand was life and death. In his mind, he was in a fight for his life. The emotions that had to be running through him 3 seconds later when he pulled the trigger had to be overwhelming. Do you at least understand that? I completely understand that the second he pulled the trigger, in a vacuum, was wrong. But the way that 30 seconds played out, it's really hard to condemn the guy. This is coming from a guy who can't stand power hungry cops.
 
Now I suppose it's time to respond to Rob. You know damn well that cancel culture destroys people. I know damn well that everything said against the left gets you cancelled today. It's scary shit to even stand up for your beliefs under a fake name right now. The only reason I've been so vocal on this is I feel like we are heading down a path that is going to send whites and blacks relationship back 100 years. This movement is causing a huge divide and I want to do my part and try to slow it down. It's beyond obvious at this point that not a single point I make is even considered by certain people so it was a complete waste of time. I don't know if its ignorance, stubbornness, or an actual agenda to divide. All I know is there is no point in talking anymore.

I'd like to add that when Rob was getting blasted on twitter and people were leaving here, I tried to defend him. I'd also like to add that I have a family with little kids who would be screwed if I got cancelled so hopefully Rob has mercy on me.
 

I stated this reality in my kneeling thread. Almost everyone said, "He had enough of racism and fought back against white supremacists."

That's not why he punched one cop and threw another cop to the ground head-first. He did it because there was something he wanted (access to family members) and this was going to end it. He might or might not hate white people but that was secondary. He understood he had just run out of second chances and the system would likely make it impossible for his family to keep enabling his self-destruction by letting him sleep on the couch.
 
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