Michigans 2 frosh and 1 soph score 68 points

[TalkHawk]

Michigan should be offily excited for next year.

Hardaway- frosh- dropping 30
Morgan- frosh- 18
Morris- Soph- 20


With Marble having a solid game today..... Basabe, Marble, and May could have held their own in the underclassmen matchups. However, May is nearly non-existent anymore. Maybe May just will not be that good of a player in the big ten.


I do believe Morgan is an in-state kid for Michigan.

It will take a couple in state guys to get it going for Fran. Hopefully fans coming out to the games...being competitive in games.... will help land an impactful in-state kid in the next 2 classes.

No reason not to make a tourney.... be just above .500 in the big ten with youth. Youth is a tired excuse after he is given a couple years of his own recruiting classes.

 

[ICHAWK]

Michigan should be offily excited for next year.

Hardaway- frosh- dropping 30
Morgan- frosh- 18
Morris- Soph- 20


With Marble having a solid game today..... Basabe, Marble, and May could have held their own in the underclassmen matchups. However, May is nearly non-existent anymore. Maybe May just will not be that good of a player in the big ten.


I do believe Morgan is an in-state kid for Michigan.

It will take a couple in state guys to get it going for Fran. Hopefully fans coming out to the games...being competitive in games.... will help land an impactful in-state kid in the next 2 classes.

No reason not to make a tourney.... be just above .500 in the big ten with youth. Youth is a tired excuse after he is given a couple years of his own recruiting classes.

I think Basabe is helping Iowa fans realize it's a myth that freshmen and sophomores can be big time contributors. Seemed to be a real meme during the Lick era that young players need time. Well freshmen should be good, and it's a very good sign you know what you are doing recruiting and development wise when freshmen are major contributors. Because the fact of the matter is freshmen who are not very good struggle to contribute and the reason is they are not that good. It's just kind of a convenient excuse around here rather than analyzing what the player is not doing. You get accused of being negative around here if you tell the truth. It's funny how everyone finally gets to the truth about players but it might take a year for them to admit it.

Yes Morgan for Michigan is from Detroit. He is a red-shirt freshmen due to injury. I guess he had a bad knee and shoulder coming into his freshmen year so he had to have surgery and rehab. I like his game, big physical kid who just attacks the rim and doesn't get cute.

 

[JHHawk]

It is not a ''myth'' that frosh cannot contribute.
Iowa has had a frosh on the all-frosh team 3 of the last 4 years...Tyler Smith,Matt Gatens,and Eric May,with Melsahn a lock to make it 4 in the last 5 years of Hawks on that team.
Not all frosh contribute immediately,due to many reasons.
Marble was only 17 yrs old when he entered school last year...he is a full year younger than most frosh..and his body is still maturing,and growing...that is a reason that a frosh might not be an immediate contributor.
McCabe is an average recruit,who is making some contributions,but also struggling with the transition from Heelan to the best conference in college ball. Not surprising.

Unless the recruits are top 30 or so, most of them will not make a huge impact on good teams.
Iowa got a bit lucky with Melsahn, he is hugely underrated as a recruit,just like Timmy Hardaway jr,who was not a top 100 player,but is clearly one of the top 3 frosh in the league,along with #1 recruit Sully,and Mel.

Aaron White and Josh Oglesby will be allowed to play only as much as they can contribute to wins,which was not the case with our depleted roster this year.
That is the normal way it works for recruits of Oglesby and White talent.

We need some mature juco or prep school help this spring..those guys do need to contribute immediately.

 

[ICHAWK]

It is not a ''myth'' that frosh cannot contribute.
Iowa has had a frosh on the all-frosh team 3 of the last 4 years...Tyler Smith,Matt Gatens,and Eric May,with Melsahn a lock to make it 4 in the last 5 years of Hawks on that team.
Not all frosh contribute immediately,due to many reasons.

McCabe is an average recruit,who is making some contributions,but also struggling with the transition from Heelan to the best conference in college ball. Not surprising.

Unless the recruits are top 30 or so, most of them will not make a huge impact on good teams.

Iowa got a bit lucky with Melsahn, he is hugely underrated as a recruit,just like Timmy Hardaway jr,who was not a top 100 player,but is clearly one of the top 3 frosh in the league,along with #1 recruit Sully,and Mel.

You kind of prove my point.

Good recruiting eye for talent/knowing the players make up along with development can lead players to be "coached up".... Hardaway and Basabe can be coached up because they have a very good talent level to begin with. They might have been underrated for various reasons. Honestly what is the difference between a 3 star and 4 star player? Probably not a lot once you figure in projections (I could go further into this but will skip)

McCabe is just limited due to his lack of athletic ability. He can't be coached up all that much because he just is not that great. It is hard when you are behind guys athletically to catch up/compete consistently.

Marble has shown me enough to know if he was playing the right position all season getting more minutes he would be further ahead. He actually lacks a little on the explosive and quik twitch side but he is very long and a basketball player. I think he has pretty good upside to contribute quite a bit.

The point being there are guys who obviously have limited upside. Anyone who watched Eric May as freshmen could obvioulsy tell his ball handling was not that good at all. His ball handling was so lacking I figured he would never be a very good ball handler, but knew he was athletic enough to contribute at this level. Some people figured at the end of last year he would just be soooo much better this year because he was year older like being a year older just makes you better for some reason. I knew based on his ball handling it was going to be darn near impossible for Eric to fix it this late in his basketball playing.

So all in all, you generally know pretty fast who the good players are. It's not all black and white because you have to be able to evaluate things to try to project too.

I said from Gatens freshmen year he was pretty much a finished product. Some people thought he was going to be absolutely next level great. He has been very good/consistent but not as good as some tried to expect him to be. You could watch his game from day one and I saw him play a handfull of times in high school to realize his athletic ability was going to really limit his growth. Matt was a 4 star recruit because he was Big 10 ready as a freshmen but had very limited upside.

 

[bkim24]

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McCabe is an average recruit,who is making some contributions,but also struggling with the transition from Heelan to the best conference in college ball. Not surprising.
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You think the B1G is better than the Big East?

 

[TheNebraskaHawk]

I lost interest in the knowledge of the OP and content of the thread when I saw how he/she spelled 'awfully'...

 

[IAJay]

You think the B1G is better than the Big East?

This got me as well. There are three ranked Big Ten teams...

 

[thejumper5]

You think the B1G is better than the Big East?

The Big East has some great teams. And some awful, awful teams. Iowa and Indiana could beat DePaul by 20 points. You can't take a night off in the Big Ten like you can in the Big East.

 

[ibahawkeye]

The Big East has some great teams. And some awful, awful teams. Iowa and Indiana could beat DePaul by 20 points. You can't take a night off in the Big Ten like you can in the Big East.

The Big east has 7 teams in the top 25... Big ten has 3. Even if they have some weak teams at the bottom, you can't make the argument that the Big 10 is a better conference overall because the Big East has so many strong teams at the top.

 

[Hawksel]

I think it's possible that both statements are true:

You can win with Freshman.

AND

Most winning teams, especially consistently winning teams, have a healthy supply of good upperclassman. These senior and junior players, however, don't necessarily have to be the best players on the team, just reliable contributors.

Michigan is doing better than Iowa this year, but they did better still with Manny Harris and DeShawn Sims (man, I'm glad they're gone, especially Sims)

Penn State and Northwestern probably won't make the tourney but they are solid teams primarily due to their upperclassmen.

Purdue, Illinois and Ohio State are a good mix of experienced and new performers. Sullinger is great for example, but I don't think the Buckeyes would be nearly as good without that experienced back court they have.

It's hard to judge Michigan State, Minnesota and Indiana due to the general weirdness and injuries these teams have gone through this year. Michigan State, however, has a pretty solid history of being consistently successful through the combination of experienced players with talented youngsters.

Lickliter struggled because he lost so many good young players that they never became consistent junior or senior performers. (Imagine Jake Kelley as a senior). He was then unable to replace these departing players in time to save his job. This is why Coach Fran has to build from the ground up. He has some young talent, but he's not getting what he needs out of his older players.

 

[bkim24]

The Big East has some great teams. And some awful, awful teams. Iowa and Indiana could beat DePaul by 20 points. You can't take a night off in the Big Ten like you can in the Big East.

Ya so theres more parody in the Big Ten. Ohio State and Wisconsin are the only 2 Big Ten teams in the Big East that will finish above .500 in the Big East IMHO