Michigan and Ohio State in Same Division BETTER for Big Ten?

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-Put them in the same division
-Play their head to head game the first week of November or last week of October to give the loser a chance to 'repair resume'
-If loser wins out, they are in good position for great bowl or Final Four if both teams elite.
-If winner of that game wins B1G, likely final four

This is how LSU v Bama 2x can happen. Having them in opposite divisions? No way.
 
JonDMiller said:
-Put them in the same division
-Play their head to head game the first week of November or last week of October to give the loser a chance to 'repair resume'
-If loser wins out, they are in good position for great bowl or Final Four if both teams elite.
-If winner of that game wins B1G, likely final four

This is how LSU v Bama 2x can happen. Having them in opposite divisions? No way.
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Can everyone admit that doing anything but a straight geographical split was just a terrible, terrible, idiotic move?
 
I'm sure that some brainiac economic professors in Chicago have figured this all out, and we'll end up with the perfect scenario when everything is done.

I'm just hoping the the divisions will spell out something, like "I WIN NIPI" and "PORN MMMM"
 
JonDMiller said:
-Put them in the same division
-Play their head to head game the first week of November or last week of October to give the loser a chance to 'repair resume'
-If loser wins out, they are in good position for great bowl or Final Four if both teams elite.
-If winner of that game wins B1G, likely final four

This is how LSU v Bama 2x can happen. Having them in opposite divisions? No way.
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Yes but leave their game as the final game of the season , winner takes all in the division.
Michigan can have mich st as their rivalry game so all is good there.

As I mentioned yesterday, Wisky and illinois in the "Western" division, maybe a good time to change division names as rutgers and maryland have neither legends and maybe leaders.
 
Palpatine said:
I'm sure that some brainiac economic professors in Chicago have figured this all out, and we'll end up with the perfect scenario when everything is done.

I'm just hoping the the divisions will spell out something, like "I WIN NIPI" and "PORN MMMM"
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Laughing in my office. Workers are worried.
 
Jon I've been looking at possible solutions other then Illinois switching divisions and this is the best solution. If you swapped Illinois/Wisconsin/Purdue for Michigan/Michigan State. Their would be basically no need for crossover games anymore which would make rotation of non-division games alot easier and you'd see more teams more often. If the divisions were

Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue
Minnesota

OSU
Michigan
Penn state
Michigan state
Indiana
Rutgers
Maryland

The only trophy games if you didnt' have crossover games would be Purdue/Indiana which is basketball rival nobody cares about it in football and Minn/Michigan was a rivalry 50 years ago and Minnesota values Iowa/Wisconsin more and Michigan values OSU/MSU more so basically its both teams 3rd biggest if even that.

This also takes care of the problem that hasn't happened yet, but eventually will of Mich/OSU playing each other back to back weeks in big ten championship. Wisconsin and Iowa get to play each other and really the rivalry that may be becoming bigger is Nebraska and Wisconsin.

You still have 3 powers on both sides of the table, but with Penn state eventual decline having the 2 main powers on one side isn't as big of problem especially with Wisconsin becoming big power in the big ten. You could easily do this and by the time Penn state has returned to power we will probably expand to 16 teams and you reevaluate the divisions at that point. I think it makes the most sense for everyone and we could even see more teams from the non-division a lot more without crossover rivals.

Purdue is technically more west then Indiana it makes complete geographical sense and you changed the division names to east/west and be done with it.

EDIT: You lose those 2 trophy games of Minn/Mich, Indy/purdue, but gain 2 back of Iowa/Wis and PSU/MSU
 
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WhitUp said:
Jon I've been looking at possible solutions other then Illinois switching divisions and this is the best solution. If you swapped Illinois/Wisconsin/Purdue for Michigan/Michigan State. Their would be basically no need for crossover games anymore which would make rotation of non-division games alot easier and you'd see more teams more often. If the divisions were

Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue
Minnesota

OSU
Michigan
Penn state
Michigan state
Indiana
Rutgers
Maryland

The only trophy games if you didnt' have crossover games would be Purdue/Indiana which is basketball rival nobody cares about it in football and Minn/Michigan was a rivalry 50 years ago and Minnesota values Iowa/Wisconsin more and Michigan values OSU/MSU more so basically its both teams 3rd biggest if even that.

This also takes care of the problem that hasn't happened yet, but eventually will of Mich/OSU playing each other back to back weeks in big ten championship. Wisconsin and Iowa get to play each other and really the rivalry that may be becoming bigger is Nebraska and Wisconsin.

You still have 3 powers on both sides of the table, but with Penn state eventual decline having the 2 main powers on one side isn't as big of problem especially with Wisconsin becoming big power in the big ten. You could easily do this and by the time Penn state has returned to power we will probably expand to 16 teams and you reevaluate the divisions at that point. I think it makes the most sense for everyone and we could even see more teams from the non-division a lot more without crossover rivals.

Purdue is technically more west then Indiana it makes complete geographical sense and you changed the division names to east/west and be done with it.

EDIT: You lose those 2 trophy games of Minn/Mich, Indy/purdue, but gain 2 back of Iowa/Wis and PSU/MSU
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Are you crazy? You can't have OSU, UM and PSU in the same division! They would be too powerful, we would be the laughing stock of college sports, football as we know it would end. Many lives would be lost.
 
Are you crazy? You can't have OSU, UM and PSU in the same division! They would be too powerful, we would be the laughing stock of college sports, football as we know it would end. Many lives would be lost.

Exactly! Kinda like the north division of the Big 12!
 
twinlaker said:
Are you crazy? You can't have OSU, UM and PSU in the same division! They would be too powerful, we would be the laughing stock of college sports, football as we know it would end. Many lives would be lost.

Exactly! Kinda like the north division of the Big 12!
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Didn't catch the sarcasm? Anyway, I could care less what the talking heads say about it, I'm much more concerned about playing traditional rivals on a annual basis.
 
uihawk82 said:
Yes but leave their game as the final game of the season , winner takes all in the division.
Michigan can have mich st as their rivalry game so all is good there.

As I mentioned yesterday, Wisky and illinois in the "Western" division, maybe a good time to change division names as rutgers and maryland have neither legends and maybe leaders.
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You're missing the point about putting them in the same division and moving the game from the last weekend. If they are both in the same division the game has to be moved up so the loser has a chance to make it to the final 4 playoff. If it is the last game of the year no way the loser will be ranked in the top 4, but if it is played at the end of October then the loser has a chance to work their way back into the top 4.
 
I think we have to wait until we find out who teams 15 and 16 are (I think it's inevitable they move to 16, and sooner rather than later. We've heard those last two teams could be Georgia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina or Boston College. When that's done then the next argument is whether to have 2 divisions of 8 or pods of 4. I would think 2 divisions of 8, that would make an easy lead into the B1G title game.

I think Michigan and OSU would be best suited on the same side, I think they would have to split Michigan and MSU if they did make that move.
 
JonDMiller said:
-Put them in the same division
-Play their head to head game the first week of November or last week of October to give the loser a chance to 'repair resume'
-If loser wins out, they are in good position for great bowl or Final Four if both teams elite.
-If winner of that game wins B1G, likely final four
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Back in the waning days of your radio show with Dase it was accepted fact of said show that OSU/Michigan would be in the same division.
 
There is also zero chance the B10 ever puts OSU, Michigan, & PSU in the same division. Especially now that 6/8 conference games will be division games. I could maybe see OSU & Michigan but never all three.

Half of the conference would be stuck playing those 3 every year, while the other half will have to worry about beating only one of them, maybe.
 
Corn and Cheese Pod: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin

Deep Dish Pod: Northwestern, Illinois, Notre Dame, Purdue

Rust Belt Pod: Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State

The Noobs: Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Georgia Tech
 
I think we are headed to a 16 team conference and I think once that happens you are looking at a 10 game conference schedule.

I also think you are looking at your own final four with 4, 4-team pods.
 
Why is everybody so concerned with Penn state like they are top 3 power in the big ten. They weren't even before the Sandusky scandal. Wisconsin and Nebraska are both bigger powers in the big ten then Penn state was before the scandal and will be after. If you look at the big 6 records since 1993(PSU joined the big ten) Penn state ranks 5th


1.OSU 176-51
2.Nebraska 184-60
3.Wisconsin 167-70
4.Michigan 166-72
5.Penn state 163-72(obviously not counting forfeited games)
6.Iowa 134-97


record wise west would have 2/3/6 best records to the west 1/4/5 its not so uneven as all of you are making it out to be. And like I said Penn state going out of power for awhile and by the time they come back to power they will be 16 teams in the big ten. At that time they reevaluate the divisions and probably go to a pod system.
 
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Also if you had the divisions as I proposed the overall records since 93 would be West 898-718 to East 904-693. Which is pretty even and when you consider in there that PSU will lose more and Rutgers and Maryland you could expect to lose more since they will be playing harder schedules then they did in the big east and ACC.

If you ranked the teams 1-14 since 93 breakdown like this
west
2
3
6
8
9
11
13

east
1
4
5
7
10
12
14

fairly even, you could argue west has it harder
 
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