Media-types can be real tools at times...

[nationalchamps]

How do we know that KF didn't tell the parents he would come back if they wanted him to, but they were the ones to tell him no, stay out on the road and everything is fine here? We just don't know how things played out and doubt we ever will. Move along. When is signing day again?

 

[nationalchamps]

There is no way you acctually believe that. That is beyond asinine

As is your take on this subject.

 

[TheNebraskaHawk]

OP: Fantastic opening post!

Iowafarmgirl, are a doctor (For that matter is any of the media and has anyone asked a doctor how easy or hard it is to tell if someone has crossed the line with this illness?) I would bet my last dollar that even a doctor would have a hard time telling if an athlete doing an intense workout was crossing the fine line between being pushed to the point of exhaustion or coming down with this illness.

Iowa is doing nothing different than any other school, but Iowa had the 13 students that became ill. I maintain, however, that there is no way to know this is happening until it has actually happened. The coaches were doing the same workout they had done with their athletes for years, this time the 13 students became ill. Why has it not happened in the past using the same workouts, there is a reason, but instead of slashing and bashing KF, the press once again has chosen to sensationalize.

Another thing, someone had to recognize that something was wrong and they obviously did as the students went to the hospital. Has anyone asked why the students went in the first place? Could it be that a coach recognized there was an issue and sent them to the hospital (I do not know, but has anyone asked?)?

 

[edr247]

I know we'll never get this info but...

It would be interesting to see how they came about going to the hospital. Seems pretty odd that all of the sudden 13 guys would decide they need to go to the hospital.

Maybe this is just being very optimistic but....what if 1 person (lets say Poggi) went to the hospital because the level of soreness wasn't something he normally experienced. They discovered Poggi had external blah blah blah (im sick of looking up the word to copy/paste). Poggi is in contact with staff or other players and explains his condition, then many other players go in for precaution because they too are feeling extreme soreness and dehydration?

Maybe I'm off in fairy tale land but It'd be interesting to know the circumstances surrounding that.

That not just being very optimistic, it's wholly possible. We have no idea as to the severity of the condition for various players. It's not unlikely that they found out one guy had it, then went back and asked other players if they had symptoms and admitted them accordingly.

The only thing that kind of works against that, however, is that we haven't seen staggered releases from the hospital either. These 13 must be serious enough that they need at least 48 hours of treatment and observation. If it was just a bit of soreness or dehydration, they could be in and out quicker, IMO.

We may or may not ever find out the specifics, due to the nature of privacy laws.

 

[edr247]

How do we know that KF didn't tell the parents he would come back if they wanted him to, but they were the ones to tell him no, stay out on the road and everything is fine here? We just don't know how things played out and doubt we ever will. Move along. When is signing day again?

February 3rd, IIRC. About 9 days after the players were admitted on the 24th-25th.

 

[Bubbrub]

Horrible, horrible post.

Numerous players are injured doing football activites to the point of hospitalization? That is something the coach, as the leader of the program, needs to be in front of. It has nothing to do with media demands, and has everything to do with showing leadership during a crisis in the program. And not a manufactured crisis, but people's health is at stake here. Some people are so myopic they can't see how serious this is.

I don't think he needs to be fired, be he certainly dropped the ball here.

I see no crisis here. There are a select few who seem excited about attempting to turn this into a crisis.

 

[Iowafarmgirl]

I see no crisis here. There are a select few who seem excited about attempting to turn this into a crisis.

Maybe crisis is poor wording, but the mass hospitalization of players during sanctioned and supervised team activities is certainly a bigger deal than most here are making it.

At the very least, it is a serious situation.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

There is no way you acctually believe that. That is beyond asinine

Did you not watch the games last season? If I'm Ferentz I'm selling recruits on this, yeah we train really hard but we put more players in the NFL than 90% of D-1 schools out there. All our NFL players in the last decade did this drill and didn't end up in the hospital. There's obviously some out of shape guys on this team, good chance for you to move up the depth chart quicker. Come in to school in shape and stay in shape, don't let up while you're here and you'll be fine.

 

[GravyJones]

If I'm Ferentz I'm selling recruits on this, yeah we train really hard but we put more players in the NFL than 90% of D-1 schools out there.

The problem is, most times we're competing with the other schools in that 10%.

 

[Jeebus]

I know we'll never get this info but...

It would be interesting to see how they came about going to the hospital. Seems pretty odd that all of the sudden 13 guys would decide they need to go to the hospital.

Maybe this is just being very optimistic but....what if 1 person (lets say Poggi) went to the hospital because the level of soreness wasn't something he normally experienced. They discovered Poggi had external blah blah blah (im sick of looking up the word to copy/paste). Poggi is in contact with staff or other players and explains his condition, then many other players go in for precaution because they too are feeling extreme soreness and dehydration?

Maybe I'm off in fairy tale land but It'd be interesting to know the circumstances surrounding that.

I think this is exactly what happened and I would bet good money that many players would be diagnosed with this if they were tested by medical professionals.

I would also speculate that the hospitalization is precautionary in the vast majority if not all the cases.

 

[Hawkeye101]

IFG....did you listen to the presser, or read any of the statements provided thus far?

Mr. Poggi clearly stated that after the bowl game, Poggi jr didn't do much more than lay around and eat. If other players perhaps took the same "month off" and then went into a tough training regimine, it could be nothing more than that.

You appear to be aiming toward something that isn't above-board, or some other finger pointing at the training program. Please, do enlighten us on your views 'cause I'm not seeing it.

Should this happen routinely, of course not. It's not unheard of by any stretch and I suspect it won't happen here again, but you seem to be looking for someone to blame.

Maybe crisis is poor wording, but the mass hospitalization of players during sanctioned and supervised team activities is certainly a bigger deal than most here are making it.

At the very least, it is a serious situation.

 

[theboat]

the idea that the media is somehow "owed" an explanation or a statement is ridiculous. The only people that deserve apologies or explanations and comfort are the kids or the parents. If I find out in the future that the kids were neglected or the parents kept in the dark I will be greatly concerned. Until then some people need to realize that they are not important enough to be "in the loop."

And Dexter, I have been thinking the exact same thing. 13 guys don't individually decide to go to the hospital. This screams of one guy or two following up on symptoms, and then the team going above and beyond to make sure that anyone showing a hint of a symptom is being properly treated. It is being sold as lack of caution, when to me it looks like over-caution.

 

[DexterMorgan]

That not just being very optimistic, it's wholly possible. We have no idea as to the severity of the condition for various players. It's not unlikely that they found out one guy had it, then went back and asked other players if they had symptoms and admitted them accordingly.

The only thing that kind of works against that, however, is that we haven't seen staggered releases from the hospital either. These 13 must be serious enough that they need at least 48 hours of treatment and observation. If it was just a bit of soreness or dehydration, they could be in and out quicker, IMO.

We may or may not ever find out the specifics, due to the nature of privacy laws.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they had 1 confirmed case and kept the others under observation for 48 hours to monitor levels.

 

[edr247]

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they had 1 confirmed case and kept the others under observation for 48 hours to monitor levels.

Actually, I've been reading up on the condition, and 96 hours + in the hospital for treatment and observation isn't uncommon.

 

[hoopthemottle]

And one week later, Ferentz is vindicated by the truth...

Is it so hard to pay attention to the consistent character of KF & Doyle?