Why do media people always defend cheaters? I could post many examples but I am sure most of you are aware of them. The latest was Mel Kipper. I don't remember his exact words, but he was saying records wins, and awards should not be taken away from cheaters. What a db.
Media sticking up for cheaters
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cibula11
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To be fair I think his main argument was that if the NCAA allowed players to go to the NFL straight from high school or at the very least after 1 year, you'd have players having less reason to contact agents prematurely.
It's the NFL that doesn't allow players to enter straight out of high school. NCAA has no control of that issue. If you're in the NCAA, know the risk you take by taking money, it will impact far more than yourself. Most of these students know this, they just want the money more than they care about the other students and the program.
hawkinn3
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Its not a safety issue, these are men by the time they are 18. What it really comes down to is money. Because if you could go to the NFL from high school GMs could not help themselves from picking up these kids and paying them boat loads of money and so many would be busts. And even the good ones would be projects for at 4-5 years.
Just Imagine some 18 year old rookie QB getting 10 million a year and starting a game in the NFL where a year previous he was playing high school and getting creamed by a DT. The NFL is smart enough to know this is not good business, and I have no problem with an organization protecting its bottom line. You have NO right to play in the NFL, I mean would anybody give a **** if Arbys said you had to be 20 to work there? Of course not but for some reason the NFL is held to different standards.
Just Imagine some 18 year old rookie QB getting 10 million a year and starting a game in the NFL where a year previous he was playing high school and getting creamed by a DT. The NFL is smart enough to know this is not good business, and I have no problem with an organization protecting its bottom line. You have NO right to play in the NFL, I mean would anybody give a **** if Arbys said you had to be 20 to work there? Of course not but for some reason the NFL is held to different standards.
lightning1
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The media wants access to players and programs. Of course they are going to defend them. ESPN isnt worth watching.
pin2win
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they were saying on first take this morning the players should be given money!!
the best idea would be to give them a loan for miscellanous things up to a certain amount of money that they have to pay back interest free or small interest
i understand its hard for a lot of these players to make money with there tough schedule but they can't NOT be paid to be a college athlete because none of them will go to class or play as hard as they should
the best idea would be to give them a loan for miscellanous things up to a certain amount of money that they have to pay back interest free or small interest
i understand its hard for a lot of these players to make money with there tough schedule but they can't NOT be paid to be a college athlete because none of them will go to class or play as hard as they should
SDK46
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+1
I've advocated two things on here and other boards for a very long time....institute an 8-team playoff, and, pay the players a stipend.
Paying the stipend would help ease the quirky upside down financial status which the "student athlete" lives within. It's antiquated and it's time to go.
HawkeyeShane
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Even if you gave each kid on the football team 75-100 bucks per week for spending money, they'd still blow it in 2 days and it sure as hell wouldn't make any of them turn down 100 grand from an agent...they have to say no because they know it's against the rules and could cost their team dearly. Not to mention make them a d-bag in the eyes of their school and fanbase..."Period. End of sentence!" <<<courtesy of Steve Deace
russellhess
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If you have an athletic scholarship, can you still take out college loans? Subsidized or private? If so, then let them take out student loans to buy whatever it is they think they have to have. Just make sure they can't get out of them if the money isn't used for tuition and such. Shoot, alot of my student loan funds went to buy more than just tuition and books and room and board. I am paying for it now, but wouldn't give those days back for anything.
I'm sure this is a beaten to death horse, but the best idea IMO is that any agent caught funneling funds to a student athlete or their family be banned from representing any player in an NFL contract. It hits the person 'causing the problem and diminishes the big dollar money flow.
Certainly some reasonable walking around money isn't out of line for the players, but from what I've seen most of the athletes on campus have spending funds that are at least equal to the kids who are trying to put themselves through school.
Anyone coming out of school with huge student loans to pay off probably are more then a little envious of those who got a free ride. Walking out of school with a free degree may be worth not having the spending money some of those born with a silver spoon enjoy if your alternative was to pay for it like everyone else has to.
Now they make money for the university, but many of these kids aren't pro material either.
Certainly some reasonable walking around money isn't out of line for the players, but from what I've seen most of the athletes on campus have spending funds that are at least equal to the kids who are trying to put themselves through school.
Anyone coming out of school with huge student loans to pay off probably are more then a little envious of those who got a free ride. Walking out of school with a free degree may be worth not having the spending money some of those born with a silver spoon enjoy if your alternative was to pay for it like everyone else has to.
Now they make money for the university, but many of these kids aren't pro material either.
I listened to the Mel Kiper video on ESPN and cannot understand how him or others think that a combination of rookie salary cap, paying college players or allowing 18 year olds to enter the draft will eliminate the agent issue. Will these things diminish the problem? It's up for debate to what extent, but we can all agree it would help at least a little bit. But if the NFL is serious about this problem, then I feel you have to punish the agents and luckily Commissioner Goodell has not been afraid to put down the hammer. I think you have a 3 tiered punishment for early contact of college players:
1st offense - Ineligible to represent new NFL clients for 1 year
2nd offense - Ineligible to represent new NFL clients for 3 years
3rd offense - Ineligible to represent new NFL clients ever
The punishments are tough but fit the crime and will weed out agents who chose not to follow the rules without punishing players that are currently represented by those agents.
1st offense - Ineligible to represent new NFL clients for 1 year
2nd offense - Ineligible to represent new NFL clients for 3 years
3rd offense - Ineligible to represent new NFL clients ever
The punishments are tough but fit the crime and will weed out agents who chose not to follow the rules without punishing players that are currently represented by those agents.
HawKCP
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I agree whole heartedly...however...I don't think it's possible for the NFL to suspend or fine agents. The only recourse they would have is if the teams could all agree to just not do business with those agents...and that would be collusion (which is only allowed by unions and Lebron James). Besides...with the high stakes in the NFL...if a team thinks that a player can help their squad...they don't care who his f'n agent is. As evidenced in baseball by teams that absolutely despise Scott Boras still signing his clients because he gets the best guys in baseball.
trj
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Pay the players......I keep hearing this as if every athletic department is operating in the black. The vast majority are not. I realize that football and to a lesser extent mens basketball generate the big bucks, but at some point the non-revenue sports which include women's sports are going to demand they be paid as well and frankly would have a strong enough argument to win a lawsuit. Which everyone knows would be a matter of time before someone filed one.
I am not a numbers cruncher, so if their is enough money to pay everyone I would be in favor, if not, we need some sort of alternatives.
As for the problems with agents, the way I understand it you need to be certified by the NFL in order to be an agent. The problem seems to be with the runners/handlers and "street" agents which I do not know how you would prevent them from being on campus and getting into player's ear.
I am not a numbers cruncher, so if their is enough money to pay everyone I would be in favor, if not, we need some sort of alternatives.
As for the problems with agents, the way I understand it you need to be certified by the NFL in order to be an agent. The problem seems to be with the runners/handlers and "street" agents which I do not know how you would prevent them from being on campus and getting into player's ear.
Nick Saban, NCAA don't have power of NFLPA to stop agents - Andy Staples - SI.com
Here is a good Andy Staples article on the subject. Much better than the garbage Whitmore has been spewing.
Here is a good Andy Staples article on the subject. Much better than the garbage Whitmore has been spewing.
HawKCP
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Tell me again why we are paying players? It's not as if professional athlete is the only profession where you are required to go to school...and gasp...some professions actually require you to graduate...some even require more than that. These kids actually aren't even required to go to school...they just can't be hired right out of high school. It's a novel concept though...require something beyond high school as experience for a multi-million dollar profession.
Your initial statement is right on point...most athletic departments do not operate in the black. However...when you bring up the idea of paying all athletes...c'mon. Why would we pay them? I'm assuming you're talking about the time commitment that is required of them...are we going to start paying intramural athletes too? Study groups? Rush Chairmen of fraternities?
trj
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Your missing the point. I am not advocating paying players......My point is if we go down the road of paying athletes(div. I men's football and basketball players) at some point, someone who participates in a non- revenue sport will file a winnable lawsuit. Forcing already money strapped athletic departments to pay everyone. All you hear is "stipend" this or athletes should get paid. My perspective is coming from if we actually go down that road of paying players. And if we actually do it....you might as well pay everyone upfront and not wait for the lawsuit.
HawKCP
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Then we're in agreement. The big argument that is made is that people are making so much money off of these kids. The ones who are really profiting are the head coaches...some of whom (Kirk Ferentz included) are making multi-millions. However, universities are in direct competitions in many cases for these coaches and there is no doubt that a guy like Ferentz could be making millions coaching in the NFL and right now he's not willing to make the leap...but if it were the difference between making $100,000 or so vs. $3,000,000 or so I doubt we'd still be retaining his services.
IATrainMaster101
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The coaches who are profiting are also (assuming they do their jobs well) providing these kids with the tools they need to compete for millions of their own. Immagine if college sports somehow did not exist but NFL still did. Young men with NFL aspirations would most likely find themselves paying mightliy for the services of such high level trainers to get them NFL ready (Think sports like figure skating).
cibula11
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I agree it would seem crazy to pay college athletes, especially when 99% of coaches refer to their players as "student-athletes", however think about the money generated by big name players in college. The jersey sales are crazy huge for universities. College players absolutely are exploited by not being paid. There is obviously a whole other side to paying athletes, but I'll refrain.
