Marble's flopping around

[scullydirt]

When Devyn sets up for his one-on-one excursions, I get worried. He doesn't seem strong with the ball, and kind of flops and romps, bobbing his head around, like a young puppy when he gets tight defense on his drives and changes in direction.

Then he sometimes falls down in a heap, in hopes of the refs seeing contact that is usually not there. Sometimes, it's as frustrating watching Devyn try to get to the rack as it is to see a drunken cat get to its food bowl.

Drunk cats after a night out - YouTube

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

YOu go play in the off topic room with your kitty so the grown ups can talk basketball.

 

[koralakers]

YOu go play in the off topic room with your kitty so the grown ups can talk basketball.

LOL!!! Great stuff there.
Dev does do that, because he usually has to take the ball w/ 6 secs left on shot clock, and make something happen, and the D knows that and attacks him. He is usually being mugged in the process. Thankfully the refs sometimes actually call the foul and Dev has no problem taking those clutch FTs. If it weren't for him, we would basically have no offense at the end of games.

 

[tm3308]

He and White both sometimes seem more worried about drawing a foul call than just putting the ball in the hoop. I don't mind if you draw fouls. But if they aren't going to be of the and-1 variety, then just focus on making the shot.

 

[ajkhawkeye]

He and White both sometimes seem more worried about drawing a foul call than just putting the ball in the hoop. I don't mind if you draw fouls. But if they aren't going to be of the and-1 variety, then just focus on making the shot.

There have been multiple occasions this year when Marble and White have actually leaned away from the basket on a layup (trying to draw a foul), not gotten the foul, and missed the lay up. Take that thing strong to hole and get the bucket at least!

 

[IARai8er]

Agreed but this is the norm any more. Flopping down, crying bloody murder etc etc and some refs buy into it whether they actually saw anything or not. Way too much of that and it won't stop until those that do it stop getting reward for they acting performance. These guys see ESPN games daily where it works so they gonna do it too.

 

[uihawk82]

When Devyn sets up for his one-on-one excursions, I get worried. He doesn't seem strong with the ball, and kind of flops and romps, bobbing his head around, like a young puppy when he gets tight defense on his drives and changes in direction.

Then he sometimes falls down in a heap, in hopes of the refs seeing contact that is usually not there. Sometimes, it's as frustrating watching Devyn try to get to the rack as it is to see a drunken cat get to its food bowl.

Drunk cats after a night out - YouTube

Stupid person must have made that video.

Now back to the flopping around, you are right and his flopping doesnt help anymore. He got mugged a few times last nite and no whistles cuz the refs are going away from the flopping.

 

[Hawkstrat]

He scored 22 points on 12 shots, even going 1-from-5 from beyond the arc. He's efficient because he can draw contact, 9 of his points came from the FT line.

There's a lot of stupid in this thread.

 

[uihawk82]

LOL!!! Great stuff there.
Dev does do that, because he usually has to take the ball w/ 6 secs left on shot clock, and make something happen, and the D knows that and attacks him. He is usually being mugged in the process. Thankfully the refs sometimes actually call the foul and Dev has no problem taking those clutch FTs. If it weren't for him, we would basically have no offense at the end of games.

The first problem with the 6 second aspect is Fran has everyone else standing around. When marble starts to drive down the lane as soon as he gets doubled or another defender even turns toward him is when the hawk wing players need to move to get open. That gives rdm the choice to continue to the hoop or dish it to a wide open teammate. We should be getting great looks during this late game action with the lead and running clock. Especially Gesell who can get open and shoot.

Which leads me to the second comment of yours I bolded. I think basabe should be a great option in this late game offense, either down low or coming free at the free throw line.

And May has generally showed he is adept at coming off the curl cut and driving and shooting.

 

[uihawk82]

There have been multiple occasions this year when Marble and White have actually leaned away from the basket on a layup (trying to draw a foul), not gotten the foul, and missed the lay up. Take that thing strong to hole and get the bucket at least!

Yes, we need guys who want to go up and slam it, who have focus on the rim,

I bet that May missed that layup late in last nite's game because he might have been expecting contact.

With total determination to try to slam that baby he gets the bucket.

 

[tm3308]

He scored 22 points on 12 shots, even going 1-from-5 from beyond the arc. He's efficient because he can draw contact, 9 of his points came from the FT line.

There's a lot of stupid in this thread.

How many of those were and-1's, though? Two points from the FT line aren't worth any more than two points from the floor. And if you flop around and miss the shot because of it, you then have to hit two shots to get the same number of points. Just make the shot, and if there's contact resulting in a foul call, then good deal.

Focusing MORE on getting a foul call than on simply putting the ball through the hoop is not efficient. A lot of his (and White's) bad games have come on nights when they weren't getting those calls.

 

[LawVHawk]

When Devyn sets up for his one-on-one excursions, I get worried. He doesn't seem strong with the ball, and kind of flops and romps, bobbing his head around, like a young puppy when he gets tight defense on his drives and changes in direction.

Then he sometimes falls down in a heap, in hopes of the refs seeing contact that is usually not there. Sometimes, it's as frustrating watching Devyn try to get to the rack as it is to see a drunken cat get to its food bowl.

Drunk cats after a night out - YouTube

Tell me this isn't a ploy to lure Scorpio out of the woodwork in the unlikely event he is lurking in the deep shadows. He would have gone ballistic had he seen this video. I'm not a big fan of it either, frankly.

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

A little more strength certainly wouldn't hurt his game

 

[OBhawk]

I really wish they would post him up more. He mismatches well against some teams. If they double kick it out.

 

[BasketballMan]

He and White both sometimes seem more worried about drawing a foul call than just putting the ball in the hoop. I don't mind if you draw fouls. But if they aren't going to be of the and-1 variety, then just focus on making the shot.

So when White and Marble change their way of drawing fouls, and they go up a little stronger as opposed to drawing a foul, and they get their shot blocked, you can then complain they are weak and don't attempt to draw fouls? LOL? Cmon. Last I checked White was #1 in the BIG in free throw attempts and top 20 or so in the nation. That is a very, very good thing. Does he have work to do in other areas? No doubt. Alot of work in fact. But focusing more on making a shot is ridiculous. The problem is White needs to get stronger. Period. Until then, let him draw as many fouls as he can.

 

[Foval21]

Trying to draw fouls is a good thing. It is like taking a few strikes in a baseball game to get the pitch count up on the starter. It will usually allow you to get something easy later on. I wish more of these would be and-1 opportunities but they aren't. The fouls help the free throws help. Some guys are good at getting fouled and some aren't. We have 2 that are very good at it. With added strength they will get more and-1s instead of 2 shots.

 

[tm3308]

So when White and Marble change their way of drawing fouls, and they go up a little stronger as opposed to drawing a foul, and they get their shot blocked, you can then complain they are weak and don't attempt to draw fouls? LOL? Cmon. Last I checked White was #1 in the BIG in free throw attempts and top 20 or so in the nation. That is a very, very good thing. Does he have work to do in other areas? No doubt. Alot of work in fact. But focusing more on making a shot is ridiculous. The problem is White needs to get stronger. Period. Until then, let him draw as many fouls as he can.

White is hitting 57% of his free throws in conference play when you take away two games that are clear outliers (Wisconsin and Penn State at home). When a guy is hitting free throws at such a poor rate, he's not the guy I want on the line.

Also, they tend to continue doing this late in the game, when they are unlikely to get those calls. I'd rather see a shot get swatted in that situation, than see them not even try to make the shot and not get a call.

And if White would actually start taking jumpers in the half-court, things would be a lot easier for him. Everybody knows what he's going to do when the game slows down: Drive to the rim. Nobody respects his pump fake because he rarely actually shoots; they can play the drive, and when they do that, he's neutralized in the half court.

Also, I LOL'd when I read the bold. You're right, we shouldn't focus on actually making shots.

 

[BasketballMan]

White is hitting 57% of his free throws in conference play when you take away two games that are clear outliers (Wisconsin and Penn State at home). When a guy is hitting free throws at such a poor rate, he's not the guy I want on the line.

Also, they tend to continue doing this late in the game, when they are unlikely to get those calls. I'd rather see a shot get swatted in that situation, than see them not even try to make the shot and not get a call.

And if White would actually start taking jumpers in the half-court, things would be a lot easier for him. Everybody knows what he's going to do when the game slows down: Drive to the rim. Nobody respects his pump fake because he rarely actually shoots; they can play the drive, and when they do that, he's neutralized in the half court.

Also, I LOL'd when I read the bold. You're right, we shouldn't focus on actually making shots.

So, I guess those two games against Wisconsin and Penn state don't count? LOL. You can make stats say anthing you want with a little manipulation / etc. And your right. Getting a shot blocked into the 3rd row late in the game on the road vs getting fouled and going to the free throw line is always a momentum builder for us. Wow.

 

[tm3308]

So, I guess those two games against Wisconsin and Penn state don't count? LOL. You can make stats say anthing you want with a little manipulation / etc. And your right. Getting a shot blocked into the 3rd row late in the game on the road vs getting fouled and going to the free throw line is always a momentum builder for us. Wow.

The problem is that FLOPPING has a lower chance of success late in the game. Officials tend to swallow their whistles. Going up strong and getting fouled might get called, but flopping doesn't typically pay off in crunch time, ESPECIALLY on the road.

I don't mind it when White pump fakes to get a guy off the floor and then goes up. He's drawing an actual foul there. I don't like it when guys just go up and flail in hopes of getting a call. I hate it when Wisconsin does it, I hate it when Northwestern does it, and I hate it when Iowa does it. I love guys drawing fouls. I hate guys drawing calls. There's a huge difference.

And, in case your reading comprehension isn't so hot, I said getting a shot blocked is better than flopping and not getting the call, IMO. Coming up empty because the other team made a play is better than coming up empty because you weren't trying to.

I've never been a big fan of flopping, even when it's effective. It's good that the NBA has started trying to crack down on it, and I hope the NCAA follows suit.

 

[BasketballMan]

The problem is that FLOPPING has a lower chance of success late in the game. Officials tend to swallow their whistles. Going up strong and getting fouled might get called, but flopping doesn't typically pay off in crunch time, ESPECIALLY on the road.

I don't mind it when White pump fakes to get a guy off the floor and then goes up. He's drawing an actual foul there. I don't like it when guys just go up and flail in hopes of getting a call. I hate it when Wisconsin does it, I hate it when Northwestern does it, and I hate it when Iowa does it. I love guys drawing fouls. I hate guys drawing calls. There's a huge difference.

And, in case your reading comprehension isn't so hot, I said getting a shot blocked is better than flopping and not getting the call, IMO. Coming up empty because the other team made a play is better than coming up empty because you weren't trying to.

I've never been a big fan of flopping, even when it's effective. It's good that the NBA has started trying to crack down on it, and I hope the NCAA follows suit.

Good post tm. I agree.