Mansell on key third and short situations

[uihawk82]

The thread about Ryan Boyle that got bumped made me think the Boyle could have been great in a wildcat, RPO formation in various 3rd and 4th and short situations. Others talked about this. Maybe get away from the standard run blocking once in awhile.

Boyle is gone but it seems like Mansell could do this. You can run better zone read with an actual running QB, sort of straight up QB run with RPO, or even option-pitch football after a fake up the middle. So much to give the opponent to worry about.

You could even leave Nate in the game lined up wide at WR like some teams do even in the pros and throw a lateral back to the staring QB, Lots of options.

Now I know we did this on the ill fated 4th and 9 late in the first half and Mansell may not have read the play well and he might have had a receiver open for the first down. But this gets your backup QB some action where you get film on them.

The hawks have been pretty good on 4th and short, maybe not so great on 3rd and short but something different could give them a lift.

I usually hang on the Football Forum until all recruiting is done and my recent posts might be a lingering feeling of what might have been this year and what could help going forward.

 

[NCHawker]

That's not who we are.

 

[pythagoras]

4th down play nearing the end of the first half at Penn State. Nuff said

 

[Iowa Tex]

4th down play nearing the end of the first half at Penn State. Nuff said

Gonna judge based on a horrible play design? Go ahead and say he should’ve thrown it. I was at the game, they had someone squatting on Hockenson 7 yds away. Easy pick 6. Maybe should’ve kicked it but that’s a tough read that quickly.

His body of work in limited time was very positive. Moved the offense very efficiently.

 

[BVHawk95]

Gonna judge based on a horrible play design? Go ahead and say he should’ve thrown it. I was at the game, they had someone squatting on Hockenson 7 yds away. Easy pick 6. Maybe should’ve kicked it but that’s a tough read that quickly.

His body of work in limited time was very positive. Moved the offense very efficiently.

What? He has 5 whole completions, all of which came against NIU, UNI, and Illinois, plus a pretty ugly pick against UNI.

Against PSU he was supposed to kick it. They told him if it wasn't there, to kick it immediately. Instead he froze up.

I think Mansell will be good down the road, but he hasn't done near enough to warrant taking reps from Stanley.

 

[Grady]

Great minds think alike -- Iowa really needs to add some run variation on 3rd and 1-3 yd downs and Mansell would be perfect to run the RPO. If you watch MN, they became absolutely unstoppable on 3rd and short during their late season wins at Madison and their bowl game. Time and time again they'd face 3rd and short, bring in their designated RPO QB, and get it. Mansell is no power back like the MN QB, but he does add the threat to pass which makes him a true triple threat running the RPO, unlike many running QBs. This is such a no brainer on so many levels: greater success rate, gets the backup QB experience, makes the defense spend valuable practice time preparing for it, etc. It's really coaching malpractice if they don't add this to the offensive mix. And if they play #21 at RB on 3rd and short again I'm going to puke.

 

[Iowa Tex]

What? He has 5 whole completions, all of which came against NIU, UNI, and Illinois, plus a pretty ugly pick against UNI.

Against PSU he was supposed to kick it. They told him if it wasn't there, to kick it immediately. Instead he froze up.

I think Mansell will be good down the road, but he hasn't done near enough to warrant taking reps from Stanley.

I’m not saying he should. But to judge on one play is hilarious. Kicking was obviously option 2 if you watch the play. KF in the presser even said so.

And when was he supposed to have completions? Those were the only games he got reps! INTs happen. He’s not scared to pull the trigger and he came right back and completed his next pass which shows confidence. He’s just fine.

 

[BVHawk95]

I’m not saying he should. But to judge on one play is hilarious. Kicking was obviously option 2 if you watch the play. KF in the presser even said so.

And when was he supposed to have completions? Those were the only games he got reps! INTs happen. He’s not scared to pull the trigger and he came right back and completed his next pass which shows confidence. He’s just fine.

Fair enough, kinda lumped you in with OP I guess.

I do agree he's got some upside, but the others in this thread are talking about adding in a concept that A) has no basis or fit within Iowa's scheme, and as such would B) be instantly recognizable and there for easily schemed against. No bueno.

 

[pythagoras]

Gonna judge based on a horrible play design? Go ahead and say he should’ve thrown it. I was at the game, they had someone squatting on Hockenson 7 yds away. Easy pick 6. Maybe should’ve kicked it but that’s a tough read that quickly.

His body of work in limited time was very positive. Moved the offense very efficiently.

You're clearly not very bright. He didn't do what he was supposed to do in that play. Let's put him in now on 3rd down plays.. Jfc you're dumb as hell.

Pro tip we are not Florida with Tim Tebow if you didn't notice

 

[karras]

You're clearly not very bright. He didn't do what he was supposed to do in that play. Let's put him in now on 3rd down plays.. Jfc you're dumb as hell.

Pro tip were not Forida with Tim Tebow if you didn't notice

Tip: "we're"
Please continue to tell everyone you are smarter than them.

 

[Iowa Tex]

You're clearly not very bright. He didn't do what he was supposed to do in that play. Let's put him in now on 3rd down plays.. Jfc you're dumb as hell.

Pro tip were not Forida with Tim Tebow if you didn't notice

At what point did I say he got it Totally right? I’m sure you would just tear it up in front of 100k people in that same situation. Execution was not our strong point that whole game. But keep up the quality analysis.

 

[Iowa Tex]

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Fair enough, kinda lumped you in with OP I guess.

I do agree he's got some upside, but the others in this thread are talking about adding in a concept that A) has no basis or fit within Iowa's scheme, and as such would B) be instantly recognizable and there for easily schemed against. No bueno.

You’re right on both your points. OKeefe even said it during a bowl interview. It only works if you’re willing to do it 2-3 series in a game and that is not our MO. But would be interesting.

 

[Caddy]

Great idea, because KF is known for his creativity. How many times in 20 years have we run the wildcat?

 

[westender]

4th down play nearing the end of the first half at Penn State. Nuff said

Don't go using reality against him. We all know the 2nd string QB is the best player on the team!! In Iowa State's case it is their 3rd string QB.

 

[uihawk82]

Great idea, because KF is known for his creativity. How many times in 20 years have we run the wildcat?

Just because we havent ran it doesnt mean you cant practice it in the spring and in August. It is not a hard package to run I am almost positive.

And I wouldnt call it a Wildcat since it is a QB getting the snap with the potential to handoff or pocket pass.

We are talking about 3rd and 4th and short maybe a few times a game.

Man if you dont see the value in some type of option play in those situations then I dont know what all of us can say to you. That QB sneak against Wisky didnt work too well.

Get a mobile QB looking for a pitch or a pass or a crease in the defense and that gives you lots of options.

By the way KF had Banks and some of his QBs run option once in awhile back in the day.

 

[Iowa Tex]

Just because we havent ran it doesnt mean you cant practice it in the spring and in August. It is not a hard package to run I am almost positive.

And I wouldnt call it a Wildcat since it is a QB getting the snap with the potential to handoff or pocket pass.

We are talking about 3rd and 4th and short maybe a few times a game.

Man if you dont see the value in some type of option play in those situations then I dont know what all of us can say to you. That QB sneak against Wisky didnt work too well.

Get a mobile QB looking for a pitch or a pass or a crease in the defense and that gives you lots of options.

By the way KF had Banks and some of his QBs run option once in awhile back in the day.

in Texas it is run by virtually everyone. It actually simplified reads for the QB and spreads everyone out on defense. But you have to have an up tempo to be really effective.

 

[pythagoras]

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Oh no my phone didn't put the ' in. My ideas aren't dumb ones at least

 

[HuckFinn]

Would someone who is well schooled in Iowa football please tell me what our 3rd down, or 4th down and short success rate was? My impression is that those stats were pretty darn good. I am fine with RPO, but I am not a fan of sending in a second string QB who has been standing on the sideline most of the time.

 

[Knight78]

Would someone who is well schooled in Iowa football please tell me what our 3rd down, or 4th down and short success rate was? My impression is that those stats were pretty darn good. I am fine with RPO, but I am not a fan of sending in a second string QB who has been standing on the sideline most of the time.

Iowa's 3rd down conversion rate overall was 30th in the nation, just ahead of Washington St and Notre Dame.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/699

Iowa's 4th down conversion rate overall was 12th in the nation, just ahead of Ohio St and Standford.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/700

 

[westender]

Just because we havent ran it doesnt mean you cant practice it in the spring and in August. It is not a hard package to run I am almost positive.

And I wouldnt call it a Wildcat since it is a QB getting the snap with the potential to handoff or pocket pass.

We are talking about 3rd and 4th and short maybe a few times a game.

Man if you dont see the value in some type of option play in those situations then I dont know what all of us can say to you. That QB sneak against Wisky didnt work too well.

Get a mobile QB looking for a pitch or a pass or a crease in the defense and that gives you lots of options.

By the way KF had Banks and some of his QBs run option once in awhile back in the day.

And yet we beat Miss State with just such a QB.