ImInTheSouth
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This.
As physically gifted as Jordon was, Lebron is more so.... And Pippen was spot on about Lebron keeping teammates involved.
Lebron > Jordan?
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This.
As physically gifted as Jordon was, Lebron is more so.... And Pippen was spot on about Lebron keeping teammates involved.
HawkeyeMike23
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No he didn't dress but my statement is entirely true. They both saw time when the game was still very much in doubt. If people are crediting Jordan with winning with less than stellar players at the center position, well LeBron should get the same treatment. The fact that both of those guys even played, shows you how poor Miami's center position is.
busabus114
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Every minute in the conference finals is meaningful but trying to justify James over Jordan based on 2 end of the bench players playing 19 combined minutes in 5 games is beyond a stretch...its weird
busabus114
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I'm amazed Jordan was able to win the 1998 Title with Dickey Simpson playing meanginful minutes in the NBA finals
Chicago Bulls at Utah Jazz Box Score, June 3, 1998 | Basketball-Reference.com
tm3308
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It's not like Jordan didn't keep guys involved, either. MJ averaged 5.48 assists per game during the time he was with Pippen (Before that, he didn't have people to dish to, and after that he was an old man. That 10-year stretch is most relevant.). Hardly playing keep away.
Now I don't think that many deny that LBJ has as much or more natural talent as any player in history. That doesn't make him the best player. Most skilled? Possibly. Greatest player (as Pippen claimed him to be, before backtracking after everyone called BS on his bitter a**)? No, not yet. LeBron hasn't shown that "it" factor, that drive that made Jordan so great.
Jordan took all his failures and turned it to fuel. He wanted to use his game to deliver a big "f*ck you" to everyone who ever doubted him. LeBron seems to be more of a crowd-pleaser, wants to make everyone happy. Jordan didn't give a s*it about pleasing you. He wanted to prove he was the greatest, and didn't care whose feeling he hurt in the process. That's why he wasn't exactly the ideal teammate, but it's why he's the greatest to ever play the game. Kobe is the only player that I've gotten to see who has that same drive with similar talent (but not equal).
Mac50702
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With Lebron going to Miami he certainly didnt please any crowds.
tm3308
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And while he was at it, he makes his "What should I do?" video. You think Jordan would have done something like that? Hell no. He'd tell us all to shove it.
Mac50702
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Jordan made one too
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVCjUG1Mww&feature=related]YouTube - Michael Jordan Responds To Lebron (Original Video Mash-Up) "Maybe You Should Rise"‏[/ame]
tm3308
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And that response fits pretty well with my description of him. That wasn't Jordan whining, or asking what he should do. That was Jordan delivering another "f*ck you". He took LeBron's commercial and shoved it back in his face.
Not exactly the same as posterizing him, but Jordan has a rather limited arsenal to prove himself these days, as compared to his playing days. He's still competing, every minute of every day. He just doesn't have the basketball court as his stage anymore.
thejumper5
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You do know that Jordan didn't make that video, right? It was an unauthorized mashup of two other commercials.
talkinhawks
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I said Pippen was elite; it was one of the first things I said. Rodman is also elite; I just said he wasn't as skilled offensively as Bosh.
Am I showing a lack of basketball knowledge or are you showing your inability to read?
HawkeyeMike23
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Yes, you said Rodman wasn't elite.
talkinhawks
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Not an all NBA guy but made the All Star team 6 seasons straight and played in the olympics.
Chris Bosh NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com
Bosh averages 20+ pts and 9+ rebs over his career...you are seriously discounting his talent. If you've watched the playoffs, he has carried the Heat at times....30+ pts 3 times against the Bulls I believe.
talkinhawks
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I will admit he is an elite rebounder and an elite defensive players...as was Ben Wallace. Offensively, non existent
HawkeyeMike23
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I know how good Bosh is, I also just know how good Rodman was. All NBA teams are a much better way to judge someone's talent than All-star games, and Bosh was All-NBA in 2007, I know. You just seem to discount rebounding and defense, having two versatile defenders as good as Pippen and Rodman made life much easier for Jordan. Rodman is also a very good passer, combine that with leading the league in offensive rebounding, to say he was non-existant offensively is just false.
Both LeBron and Jordan (during the second three-peat) had two other elite players on the team, Jordan also had better supporting players than LeBron currently does. That was my point and it's correct.
talkinhawks
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It's debatable. When you played the Bulls you had to stop Jordan and you could win. When you play the Heat you have to stop Lebron, Wade and Bosh or hope one of them has an off game....this was the case with the series against the Bulls. Bosh killed the Bulls in 3 games while Lebron had a good game and Wade did not. The Heat's 1-2-3 punch is more than what the Bulls had. Center and PG were pretty comparable.
