Lawsuit - coaches, Barta, and Doyle dismissed

[okeefe4prez]

Not to go off topic here, but because it is the off-season and this popped up on my youtube feed, I wanted to show Fryowa what peak male performance looks like:

Big Ed’s Best Moments | 90 day fiancé - YouTube

 

[HawkGold]

Not every moral outrage creates legal liability. From what I have read about the situation, I do think that KF was behind the times in terms of fostering an inclusive environment that allowed all kids in the program to feel like they were being treated fairly and with dignity. Many of us were older and lived through coaches and teachers and bosses that demeaned and dehumanized as a means of motivating performance. Times have changed and guys like Bobby Knight and Bear Bryant would be ill-equipped to coach in today's environment. But I have not seen anything that leads me to believe that KF's staff's actions rise to the level of violating the law in an appreciable manner.

That said, if they don't get the case thrown out soon, these cases settle. Almost always. Expect UI to write a check at some point.

Going to guess the check will be after it goes to a court decision. They may not want to settle.

The will meet the scope of discrimination, old coaches or not. Bank on it.

 

[Fryowa]

Not to go off topic here, but because it is the off-season and this popped up on my youtube feed, I wanted to show Fryowa what peak male performance looks like:

Big Ed’s Best Moments | 90 day fiancé - YouTube

I love that show, and big Ed. He got the shaft. That man was a peach.

 

[HawkGold]

Does anyone know if the complainants filed with the Dept of Education?

 

[NorthKCHawk]

Does anyone know if the complainants filed with the Dept of Education?

No and why would they? The Dept of Education cannot make Iowa pay these guys and their lawyer money for damages. They are regulatory in nature in this regard. Not to be jaded, but these guys and their attorney are not doing this as altruistic stewards of the educational and coaching process at Iowa, they want money. Money claims are filed in a court of law.

 

[HawkGold]

No and why would they? The Dept of Education cannot make Iowa pay these guys and their lawyer money for damages. They are regulatory in nature in this regard. Not to be jaded, but these guys and their attorney are not doing this as altruistic stewards of the educational and coaching process at Iowa, they want money. Money claims are filed in a court of law.

Actually the Dept of Ed can be involved in lawsuits. Wasn't suggesting it, but was just curious. The flip side is they can ding the university in a number of ways. The deadline for filing with the Dept of Ed has passed which is why I wondered that. I could see where it might help or it might hurt. But they are enforcement.

Two areas the Feds get involved in discrimination are in the areas of Lending, Education and Real Estate. I work for a Big U and I'm a licensed RE broker. The trainings these areas have to go through is huge. No way the football program coaches missed those trainings. If they did, it would be pretty serious. If they had filed, the U would have been forced to undergo more scrutiny.

Barta would have had a hard time surviving if the Athletic Dept had blown off compliance had a Dept of Ed complaint been filed.

This isn't the same world we used to live in. Somethings worse. Other things better.

 

[Scott Leclair]

Many local sports stations in central Iowa were all over this when it first broke. Some trashing all coaches involved. It’s all they would talk about. Usually negative toward Iowa football.

This story breaks and you can hear a pin drop at said local stations. Shocker…

 

[CP87]

Many local sports stations in central Iowa were all over this when it first broke. Some trashing all coaches involved. It’s all they would talk about. Usually negative toward Iowa football.

This story breaks and you can hear a pin drop at said local stations. Shocker…

A few of the defendents being dropped does not change the fact that Iowa was not necessarily inclusive. The attrition of black athletes from the program was a clear illustration of the problems. The shared experiences from well respected Hawks (Lomax, Daniels, J. Johnson, etc) further supported this.

The lawsuit always felt like a reach and a moneygrab, but that doesn't change the fact that Iowa had problems it needed to address. I feel like most of the coverage has focused on the changes Iowa needs to make, not necessarily on this suit (maybe my perception is wrong on that). The suit hasn't been ignored, nor could it be, but it doesn't feel like it has been a big focus. Hence, not surprising that a change in the suit hasn't been big news.

 

[HawkGold]

A few of the defendents being dropped does not change the fact that Iowa was not necessarily inclusive. The attrition of black athletes from the program was a clear illustration of the problems. The shared experiences from well respected Hawks (Lomax, Daniels, J. Johnson, etc) further supported this.

The lawsuit always felt like a reach and a moneygrab, but that doesn't change the fact that Iowa had problems it needed to address. I feel like most of the coverage has focused on the changes Iowa needs to make, not necessarily on this suit (maybe my perception is wrong on that). The suit hasn't been ignored, nor could it be, but it doesn't feel like it has been a big focus. Hence, not surprising that a change in the suit hasn't been big news.

Most organizations don't change without a compelling reason. Money grab? No. If you were in their shoes and half of what is said is true, it would pretty offensive beyond hurt feelings. Universities as well as real estate brokers have high legal standards and if what was said is true, should never have happened. No excuses.

 

[RobHowe]

No way the coaches, maybe outside of Wallace, want those sealed personnel files produced by Husch Blackwell opened. Plaintiffs have asked for that. Go to trial and you risk that.

For the "coaches were only mean to players crowd" you might want to extract your head from up your ass long enough to read what went down.

You don't get to rewrite history of internal and external investigations finding racial bias in the Iowa Football program. You don't get to wipe out all the stories from former Black players that faced racial bias. You can ignore them until you're blue in the face, but they're still there.

Here's a few for you in case you forgot:

Former Iowa players criticize program's culture

After former Iowa offensive lineman James Daniels tweeted that black players in the program "have been treated unfairly for far too long," other players also shared their negative experiences.

www.espn.com

Howe: Iowa Football Must Address Former Players Speaking Out

The Hawkeye leaders can’t be silent when presented with problems.

www.hawkeyenation.com

’18 Athletic Department Study Showed Serious Racial Bias in Iowa Football

Looking into allegations from Diversity Task Force report compiled in Fall of ’18.

www.hawkeyenation.com

Looking at Iowa Football Player Representation, Retention Since ’09

Leadership groups, transfer rates, reps in Chicago at B1G media Day, roster makeup for last 11 years.

www.hawkeyenation.com

Howe: Iowa Football Players Feeling Freedom to Be Themselves

Hawkeyes say they’re closer with changing environment in program.

www.hawkeyenation.com

Let me know if you need more links.

 

[CP87]

No way the coaches, maybe outside of Wallace, want those sealed personnel files produced by Husch Blackwell opened. Plaintiffs have asked for that. Go to trial and you risk that.

For the "coaches were only mean to players crowd" you might want to extract your head from up your ass long enough to read what went down.

You don't get to rewrite history of internal and external investigations finding racial bias in the Iowa Football program. You don't get to wipe out all the stories from former Black players that faced racial bias. You can ignore them until you're blue in the face, but they're still there.

Here's a few for you in case you forgot:

Former Iowa players criticize program's culture

After former Iowa offensive lineman James Daniels tweeted that black players in the program "have been treated unfairly for far too long," other players also shared their negative experiences.

www.espn.com

Howe: Iowa Football Must Address Former Players Speaking Out

The Hawkeye leaders can’t be silent when presented with problems.

www.hawkeyenation.com

’18 Athletic Department Study Showed Serious Racial Bias in Iowa Football

Looking into allegations from Diversity Task Force report compiled in Fall of ’18.

www.hawkeyenation.com

Looking at Iowa Football Player Representation, Retention Since ’09

Leadership groups, transfer rates, reps in Chicago at B1G media Day, roster makeup for last 11 years.

www.hawkeyenation.com

Howe: Iowa Football Players Feeling Freedom to Be Themselves

Hawkeyes say they’re closer with changing environment in program.

www.hawkeyenation.com

Let me know if you need more links.

What is your opinion on the steps Iowa has taken to improve the situation?

 

[CP87]

Most organizations don't change without a compelling reason. Money grab? No. If you were in their shoes and half of what is said is true, it would pretty offensive beyond hurt feelings. Universities as well as real estate brokers have high legal standards and if what was said is true, should never have happened. No excuses.

But much of what was alleged was either embellished, or simply impossible to prove (caveat to the link below: from BF's request for motion for summary judgement, hence one-sided):

Hawkeye offensive coordinator Ferentz asks judge to drop racism claims

Hawkeye offensive coordinator Brian Ferentz — among several defendants facing accusations of racial discrimination in a lawsuit filed by former players — wants a judge to rule in his favor and essentially drop the case against him, calling the claims “meritless, unsupported, and contrary to law.”

www.thegazette.com

No doubt Iowa had tons of shit to clean up, and I agree they wouldn't have changed enough without a compelling reason. But I don't think the suit was the reason, I think it was the social media firestorm touched off by James Daniels' comments.

I was reading back through some of those links Rob posted...it is really hard to read those and come away with the conclusion that these defendants being dropped = Doyle has been vindicated.