Lawsuit - coaches, Barta, and Doyle dismissed
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hawkinn3
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You can’t be this ignorant can you?
NorthKCHawk
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I kind of doubt it. Unless they have a deal in place and there is some sort of delay provision to announce that, I don't see the Plaintiff's giving up leverage by dismissing the coaches in good faith with the hopes that a deal can be struck. That would be very unusual.
Now, I suppose the University could have conditioned coming to the settlement table at all on dismissal of the coaches, but that too would be unusual.
No, I think this is just a case of knowing that any and all money will come from the University anyway, as assuredly they are required to indemnify their employees for acts committed during the course of employment, so keeping the coaches in will just lead to a lot of expensive motion practice to defend. The juice is not worth the squeeze to keep them in.
NorthKCHawk
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When I read the question I was reminded of the highly informed characters in Anchorman:
NCHawker
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protected class
www.law.cornell.edu
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What Is a Protected Class?
A protected class consists of people who receive legal protection against discrimination based on traits like race, sex, religion, or disability.www.thoughtco.com
Definition of PROTECTED CLASS • Law Dictionary • TheLaw.com
Legal definition for PROTECTED CLASS: A class or group of people who are protected against discrimination as a result of being a member of a protected class. Federal law prohibits discriminatory conduct with regdictionary.thelaw.com
the second link gets it closer. Now i wanted to understand which one was relevant in this matter.
dahlhawk
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Damm, honestly I hope the Uof I digs in their toes and says not a penny. This is the kind of lawsuit, witch-hunt, precedent setting thing that can lead to multiple lawsuits across the country by disgruntled players who didn't get paid after college. Which is what, 99% of them. Culture shock is not a crime.
NorthKCHawk
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Not every moral outrage creates legal liability. From what I have read about the situation, I do think that KF was behind the times in terms of fostering an inclusive environment that allowed all kids in the program to feel like they were being treated fairly and with dignity. Many of us were older and lived through coaches and teachers and bosses that demeaned and dehumanized as a means of motivating performance. Times have changed and guys like Bobby Knight and Bear Bryant would be ill-equipped to coach in today's environment. But I have not seen anything that leads me to believe that KF's staff's actions rise to the level of violating the law in an appreciable manner.
That said, if they don't get the case thrown out soon, these cases settle. Almost always. Expect UI to write a check at some point.
Normally I would agree with you. I think school is fighting this one to the end now. Even though the players would be all about a pay day since that's all this is to them really. If they are dropping the individuals involved then it's the players that are backpedaling if you ask me. I bet school sees this through to trial if it isn't dismissed all together which I'm sure they are trying to do too.
dahlhawk
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I do think that NIL will really help end this crap, if players are getting paid what their worth in college they will be less likely to be as upset when they don't make it to the next level. The real problem is young people of all backgrounds are coming into a program with entitled attitudes. When they are treated the same and some for the first time are critiqued about their attitude or work ethic they retreat to "being treated unfairly". We all have or have had delusional co-workers that are or were terrible at their jobs, but instead of looking inward complained of being treated unfairly and blamed others. Many athletes have the utmost respect for Coach Doyle and what he did for them as athletes and men. Was he rough around the edges? I'm sure he was, was he a racist? I doubt it, from what I read or heard he was all about personal accountability. The lack of player led support for Coach Doyle could have been two things. He was perceived by black players as redneck and racist, or they did not want to be critical of these players as a form of solidarity to their own. What's kind of ironic, is less people stood up for Brian on the record. Yet, although he is central figure in this lawsuit remains employed with the university. Doyle was Kirk's drill sergeant. Their tough, loud, and not meant to be loved. It's only later in a soldier's career are they appreciated.
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Fryowa
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Fryowa
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Let me make it easier for you.
If you are a Caucasian male under the age of 40 who has no diagnosed mental or physical disabilities and is a citizen of the United States you are not a member of a protected class.
Literally everyone else in this country is. That's not a statement of my agreement of disagreement with it, that's legal fact.
There you go.
HuckFinn
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Very well stated, North.
okeefe4prez
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Close, but heteronormative transphobic rhetoric has brainwashed you. A transgender Caucasian male under 40 would be in a protected class.
thedukeofearl
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Fryowa
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Have they passed that into law anywhere? I honestly don't know.
I know sexual orientation is protected in some states, but you could be a dude changing into a chick who still likes chicks, or you could be a dude changing into a chick who likes dudes. Are either of those technically hetero and thus not protected?
There needs to be a flow chart here, but there's no chance it fits on an 11X17 sheet of paper.
Disclaimer: I do not care in the slightest what an individual identifies himself/herself/themself as, and I also don't care with what binary or non-binary organism a human being copulates with as long as it's consensual and of legal age. I just get confused. So don't come at me.
okeefe4prez
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Yes, it's protected under Title VII. I have organized a peoplecott to get the TV show M*A*S*H removed from television syndication due to its portrayal of Corporal Klinger. I need to get a win after my attempts to shame Conagra into changing the name of Hungry Man frozen meals failed.
Fryowa
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Man I loved that show. Could make you laugh and make you cry in every episode.
HawkGold
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Likely means:
The easiest and the biggest way to get a settlement is to go after the university. Will be easier to prove as a group as opposed to an individual. The University has stringent rules to follow on discrimination and therein is the payoff. It's likely going to be big. The university ultimate will be the biggest violator. The case is too big to just sweep under the rug, which is what happens at lesser courts. This is Federal Court. At least at the Circus Court level (which this is not), Iowa isn't like some state that elects judges.
The document says the dismissal was from the plainiffs. Yes they can and likely will refile with more definition. This isn't going away. One would have to read other documents to get a more clear picture.
Universities receiving Federal funding have very tight rules on protecting against discrimination.
The easiest and the biggest way to get a settlement is to go after the university. Will be easier to prove as a group as opposed to an individual. The University has stringent rules to follow on discrimination and therein is the payoff. It's likely going to be big. The university ultimate will be the biggest violator. The case is too big to just sweep under the rug, which is what happens at lesser courts. This is Federal Court. At least at the Circus Court level (which this is not), Iowa isn't like some state that elects judges.
The document says the dismissal was from the plainiffs. Yes they can and likely will refile with more definition. This isn't going away. One would have to read other documents to get a more clear picture.
Universities receiving Federal funding have very tight rules on protecting against discrimination.
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HawkGold
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Kind of like this board.
