Kirk's offense in a nutshell

HawkeyeWalker said:
The issue comes with defense knowing this, showing one formation...and then playing the other.

Is almost rather see us throw a 3 step deep shot every time than a short side run.

You can get away with it, maybe, with a veteran-good Oline and a bulldozer RB...maybe...for 3-4 yards...maybe. not with a speed speed back and frosh O tackles.
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Don’t disagree I was answering Drummer’s question. Attempting to anyway.:)
 
trj said:
No counter argument, if they were using it to set up something later in the game it would be one thing. The majority of the time Iowa isn’t trying to set something up so it’s literally a wasted play.
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Exactly.

Using a standard/generic/repetitive play to set something up makes sense. Whether it's a counter, a play-action pass, or something similar that takes advantage of luring the defense into a misread. Thing is...first, the base play has to be successful and draw the defense into defending it. ie: we're only successful with it when our run game is dominant. (and the stretch play into dogpile audible ain't that).

Secondly...you have to do it often enough to keep the defense honest. We don't. We have one version of that...an 8th grade football play-action pass. It's so generic that it's really not much of a surprise. You want to open up both the run and pass more...throw vertically more often. Keep the safeties guessing. I'll take that with an incompletion (and the occasional PI if your receivers are well-coached) over the audible into dogpile for no gain.
 
It does seem that Stanley changes the play to a run audible almost exclusively. I don't know if it's overcoaching or a QB that is misreading the defense. If he sees a blitz coming you would think he would change to a screen or a play that punishes the defense for being overaggressive. A simple run usually off tackle rarely hurts a defense. It's to the point that I groan every time he changes the play because I know it gives us no chance for a first down.
 
The worst part of the whole thing is, they get duped into it about 90% of the time. The coaches around the BIG especially Fitzgerald know exactly how to trick them into an audible. Its like taking candy from a baby. When you see Northwestern call a run blitz after an audible into the exact hole where they are running with that consistency it's head scratching, yet Iowa will get suckered into it every time.
 
KF has been running the same offense for 20 years.
That is like a coach in the 1970's running the Wing T from the 1950's.
Or a coach in the '90's running the wishbone offense from the '70's.
 
dwghawk said:
The worst part of the whole thing is, they get duped into it about 90% of the time. The coaches around the BIG especially Fitzgerald know exactly how to trick them into an audible. Its like taking candy from a baby. When you see Northwestern call a run blitz after an audible into the exact hole where they are running with that consistency it's head scratching, yet Iowa will get suckered into it every time.
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This is my thought as well.

The real underlying issue is reading the defense. It's not just NW. Many teams have befuddled our offense with different looks and last second alignment shifts. Stanley is inexperienced, so I would surmise that this is something that will improve, but, in all honesty, this has been a long-term problem at Iowa, even with experienced QBs. IMO, KOK is not the QB guru that many propose. We haven't had a bonafide really good QB coach in many years, probably since Snyder.
 
The whole fact that Iowa does not run hardly any counter plays or trick plays (which I have been complaining about for years) is what causes us to not get big chunk plays and have to have perfect execution to drive 10 plays for 75 yards all the time. I think KF would rather take 12 plays to score than 1 play, really.

When the zone blocking really works is when you have a Freddy Russell type runner who can but back behind the defense's pursuit. This is basically a counter play type run with direction one way and cut back against the pursuit. But for a long time most defenses will keep the back side pursuit home. We do get the cutback big run plays once in awhile but not at the high rate we used to.
 
Does anyone else get the feeling that KF sometimes doesn't care about getting a 1st down?
Somehow that's part of his overall game plan at certain times?
 
CJHawkeye said:
Does anyone have real stats on how often we audible into a pass? I feel like its got to be 90/10 run/pass when we change the play at the line.
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That might be high and that’s no attempt at gallows humor.
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
The issue comes with defense knowing this, showing one formation...and then playing the other.

Is almost rather see us throw a 3 step deep shot every time than a short side run.

You can get away with it, maybe, with a veteran-good Oline and a bulldozer RB...maybe...for 3-4 yards...maybe. not with a speed speed back and frosh O tackles.
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Weismann told you that, didn’t he
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
If there's a "poster child" play for Kirk's offensive ineptitude (pun intended) it would be that audible into the stretch run into the short sideline. Why... does this still happen? Everybody in the stadium knows that play call and it's extremely rare that it gains significant yardage.

Why?
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you forgot to add "into a 9-man box"
 
Scrapped this game plan for the Nebby game, luckily:

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