Kirk Ferentz's Comments from Today when asked About Recruiting Policy

RobHowe

Administrator
Q. How would you describe your post-commitment visit policy for recruits?
KIRK FERENTZ: Hasn't changed much since last time we talked about it, it's about the same.

Q. I know you can't talk about anything specifically. But there was another recruit that decided to leave, and also mentioned specifically that you were targeting other recruits that were already committed, and he felt it was maybe a hypocritical policy do you have any additional thoughts on this policy and it changing?
KIRK FERENTZ: No, nothing new. We'll talk about it and review it when the season gets over. But I think we're set in what we're doing and how we're doing it.

You know, there is a young guy, Carter Hill who committed to Texas, December 1st, whatever year, it was like 1983. He was a guy I had my sights set on, my heart set on and all that stuff. I remember walking around the school that day blown away. And Carl Jackson said better to find out now than February. And I didn't know what the heck he was talking about, and it took me a couple weeks and I figured it out.

So back then I learned about recruiting and the way it works. There's no guarantees until signing day. I think that's something we all realize. So we play every case individually, and from my standpoint, looking at the big picture, we're going to have ups and downs, we'll have guys commit, decommit, we'll have guys commit, and typically we have a pretty good feel of who is in what category. Every now and then you get a surprise. It's just the way it goes.

You've got to have good recruits to be successful, I get that. What's really important is identifying and finding players that are going to fit here in our program and thrive in our environment. And it's not for everybody.

Ultimately, that's what we have to do. I encourage all recruits to do the same thing. If you're not sure, look around. Because we try to be straight up front about who we are and what we are, and how we do things. One thing, you can't promise too much, other than opportunity.

It's my 18th year here, so I promise you, I'm not searching for my identity anymore. I've been through that. I know who we are and who we want to be. We'll tweak things here and adjust to the times. We have a good feel about what we're trying to do. We'll try to keep identifying guys that are going to come in here and thrive. Whether it's a Josey Jewell or whomever it may be, find the right guys that are going to be here.

I'm confident at the end of the day, by Signing Day, we'll have the right 20-22 guys here, and hopefully the guys that are out looking find the places -- most importantly, they find the places that are best for them. Because that's what it's all about for every individual, find the best place for you to be. What is the best school, the best program to be in where you can thrive and be happy.

Q. You guys have had the no visit policy for as long as I can remember, have you ever experienced this much back lash before?
KIRK FERENTZ: Recruiting has gotten so heightened, you know? At the end of the day, those recruiting rankings, really don't mean crap. I mean, with all due respect. The only rankings that count are the ones in January. It's kind of like winning games. 500 yards offense or 150, if you win, it's a great game, you know? As a head coach, I can say that. Offense, defense, I don't care, as long as we win, we're all happy, and we'll find a way to fix or address whatever we have to.

So, yeah, recruiting is an industry now. There's always been interest in it. Now it's an industry just like the draft. The ridiculous grades they give on drafts, things like that. People that really don't know the systems these players are going through and all that stuff. I'm not knocking it. It's entertaining, but you want to be successful, you have to have an idea of what it is you want to do and who you're going to be. Hopefully you get enough guys that join the program and fit that thing and move forward.

Q. The perception is you don't make any exceptions. Is that fair?
KIRK FERENTZ: I think it's like discipline, every case, in your kids at home, same way, every case is unique and different. There are a lot of things you can consider. I've got 100-plus players I'm responsible for. So if one walks into my office with an issue, and two hours later another guy, you know, one guy may have a lot of credit in the bank, the other guy may not have much credit. Those kind of things. Those all weigh in. It's all human stuff.

No, it's not like Russia from 1960 or something like that. It's a benevolent dictatorship. The best line I ever heard was Marcus Simmons' dad said we teach democracy but don't exercise it here. He was a principal at a school. I thought that was a pretty good line. But anyway, every case is unique.
 
KIRK FERENTZ: Recruiting has gotten so heightened, you know? At the end of the day, those recruiting rankings, really don't mean crap. I mean, with all due respect. The only rankings that count are the ones in January. It's kind of like winning games. 500 yards offense or 150, if you win, it's a great game, you know? As a head coach, I can say that. Offense, defense, I don't care, as long as we win, we're all happy, and we'll find a way to fix or address whatever we have to.

And how is that going for you bro? In the second decade of the 21st century how many times have you produced a ranked team?

And how many times have you gotten a raise; bonus and/or extension in that same time period?
 
Q. The perception is you don't make any exceptions. Is that fair?
KIRK FERENTZ: I think it's like discipline, every case, in your kids at home, same way, every case is unique and different. There are a lot of things you can consider.

Rob - If this bit is true. Then when does the very first bullet point on the letter sent out to verbals state that they may not visit other schools?
 
Coach, you sure seemed to be paid a lot to constantly muck up recruiting...care to comment?

Coach, what is your identity, since you don't look for it any longer?

When you sleep at night, do you fantasize about the Hawkeyes wearing leather helmets, without facemasks, running the winged T?

It seems your offensive schemes are more and more quite offensive to some of the best skill player recruits in the country?...care to comment?

Coach, you sure seem to say a lot, without saying much...is that a learned skill?
 
I get his thinking. He is saying dont commit of you dont think you want to come here. If you commit, you are saying you are done and coming here.

Its thinking from the 80s when people stuck to their words. That isnt going to happen much anymore. People want their cake and to eat it also.

KF is, again, behind the times. And he refuses to change. Some like this quality. Me? Im ready for something new.
 
So what he's saying is he has no intent of changing despite changes in NCAA rules and learn from best practices from other programs. That's great...that's what happened to the DINOSAURS. Keep that thinking Kirk! Why don't you go get kids that are 0 stars and try to compete!? I'm sure those kids would take a scholly no problem. I was at an I-club event with my Dad when Ferentz took over. We got to ask Philbin what the greatest issue was when he got here. I still remember to this day he said, "there weren't too many true D1 quality players here so we need to change that..." DUH that's recruiting Kirk. Forget the scout grades because all those 5 star players Saban gets are a total joke. OK Kirk I believe you.
 
You know, there is a young guy, Carter Hill who committed to Texas, December 1st, whatever year, it was like 1983. He was a guy I had my sights set on, my heart set on and all that stuff. I remember walking around the school that day blown away. And Carl Jackson said better to find out now than February. And I didn't know what the heck he was talking about, and it took me a couple weeks and I figured it out.


He's stuck on 1983...why would he change now. Oh.. and only a couple of weeks...man you make it hard to support you sometimes Captain...If only you would evolve and at least try to stay with the times on recruiting, an offense, etc. People would still love you for at least trying and probably more so. You know kind of like, last year with the few tweeks you did and it produced 12-0.
 
"It's kind of like winning games. 500 yards offense or 150, if you win, it's a great game, you know? As a head coach, I can say that. Offense, defense, I don't care, as long as we win, we're all happy, and we'll find a way to fix or address whatever we have to".

As a high school coach this statement really bothers me. I get that the bottom line is winning, but it is your responsibility to put your team in a position to win. If the team is winning and the offense is struggling, it is your job to find ways to improve the offense. It is your responsibility to make adjustments, regardless of how minimal, to those adjustments are. Maybe I read things wrong, but from reading it I gathered that hiccups don't matter as long as your winning and a problem doesn't become a problem until it starts costing you games.

A lot of coaches are motivated because they hate to lose which drives them and motivates them to push forward and prepare for the next game rather than enjoying the moment of a current win. I feel that that KF would rather live in the moment and dwell on what just happened rather than looking toward the future which IMO explains a lot about the ups and downs we see year in and year out.
 
I think our sub performance in recruiting over the years is due to elements of more consequence than our no visit policy. It's easy to pick on the no visit issue because that's right in front of us currently. One could question how solid some of these TX guys were from the beginning and whether they would have stayed the course until Feb. There were some caution flags that appeared along the trail in my opinion.

I find myself not totally convinced yet that loosening the restrictions on our no visit policy is the way to go for an Iowa level program. Not so easy for us to go out and find quality replacements in the closing months of recruiting like more noted programs could do. Easy to measure those that leave under a no visit policy, much harder to measure those that stayed due to the current policy and decided not to take one last look elsewhere (just in case) but stayed true to their word and became Hawks..........those don't make for juicy recruiting news.

It's not like we're telling recruits that you can't explore other schools. We just telling them to do it before you might choose us as your verbal. Martin and Nelson seem to be working on that basis.........maybe that's because they don't need all the glitz and glitter that some desire. Maybe that's part of the "fit" with our program.
 
Coach: If you're satisfied with recruiting the kind of scrappy, gritty, gutsy kids that you seem to love so much, and if you think the policy is so good that you're willing to give up any prospect that aims higher than the MAC, then why did you spend millions upon millions of dollars on football facilities? That stuff only matters to the great recruits, and the kids you recruit would come regardless since Iowa is their best offer by far? Why not save the millions? Okay, we'll let you buy a barbers chair to give your time their required crew cuts. Good enough?
 
Coach: If you're satisfied with recruiting the kind of scrappy, gritty, gutsy kids that you seem to love so much, and if you think the policy is so good that you're willing to give up any prospect that aims higher than the MAC, then why did you spend millions upon millions of dollars on football facilities? That stuff only matters to the great recruits, and the kids you recruit would come regardless since Iowa is their best offer by far? Why not save the millions? Okay, we'll let you buy a barbers chair to give your time their required crew cuts. Good enough?


I was thinking the same thing. Why are we spending millions of dollars to keep up with the Joneses and we take this kind of attitude and approach. It's like he has given up trying and I think he did a few years ago when they reeled in the recruiting zones to be more Midwest. Another brilliant idea.
 
I was thinking the same thing. Why are we spending millions of dollars to keep up with the Joneses and we take this kind of attitude and approach. It's like he has given up trying and I think he did a few years ago when they reeled in the recruiting zones to be more Midwest. Another brilliant idea.
What I like is that the program has multiple people that are strictly recruiting specialists, yet we get this bs type of approach. Those recruiting specialists should be flying all over the country most of the time, instead they mostly sit back home shuffling paperwork. Weird.
 
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As long as all of this is known up front by the recruits I don't have a problem with it. If things are not completely crystal to them it is obvious we have to make a correction to that. I think a lot of this could be solved by just not having kids commit until further along in the year. What would be wrong with no commitments after December 1st? I think it would make schools work harder and relieve some pressure from kids and their families.

Just get rid of the early committing and let kids go through the process with all the BS involved and the message boards going crazy. If I was a recruit and I read some of the crap on the boards and I am talking all over not just here it would really start to wear on me. To be honest I don't know why some kids commit so damn early anyway. In reality we are talking about teenage kids that are trying to make a decision that is most likely one of the top decisions they will ever make in their life. It is human nature to second guess decisions especially one this important.
 
Q. How would you describe your post-commitment visit policy for recruits?
KIRK FERENTZ: Hasn't changed much since last time we talked about it, it's about the same.

Q. I know you can't talk about anything specifically. But there was another recruit that decided to leave, and also mentioned specifically that you were targeting other recruits that were already committed, and he felt it was maybe a hypocritical policy do you have any additional thoughts on this policy and it changing?
KIRK FERENTZ: No, nothing new. We'll talk about it and review it when the season gets over. But I think we're set in what we're doing and how we're doing it.

You know, there is a young guy, Carter Hill who committed to Texas, December 1st, whatever year, it was like 1983. He was a guy I had my sights set on, my heart set on and all that stuff. I remember walking around the school that day blown away. And Carl Jackson said better to find out now than February. And I didn't know what the heck he was talking about, and it took me a couple weeks and I figured it out.

So back then I learned about recruiting and the way it works. There's no guarantees until signing day. I think that's something we all realize. So we play every case individually, and from my standpoint, looking at the big picture, we're going to have ups and downs, we'll have guys commit, decommit, we'll have guys commit, and typically we have a pretty good feel of who is in what category. Every now and then you get a surprise. It's just the way it goes.

You've got to have good recruits to be successful, I get that. What's really important is identifying and finding players that are going to fit here in our program and thrive in our environment. And it's not for everybody.

Ultimately, that's what we have to do. I encourage all recruits to do the same thing. If you're not sure, look around. Because we try to be straight up front about who we are and what we are, and how we do things. One thing, you can't promise too much, other than opportunity.

It's my 18th year here, so I promise you, I'm not searching for my identity anymore. I've been through that. I know who we are and who we want to be. We'll tweak things here and adjust to the times. We have a good feel about what we're trying to do. We'll try to keep identifying guys that are going to come in here and thrive. Whether it's a Josey Jewell or whomever it may be, find the right guys that are going to be here.

I'm confident at the end of the day, by Signing Day, we'll have the right 20-22 guys here, and hopefully the guys that are out looking find the places -- most importantly, they find the places that are best for them. Because that's what it's all about for every individual, find the best place for you to be. What is the best school, the best program to be in where you can thrive and be happy.

Q. You guys have had the no visit policy for as long as I can remember, have you ever experienced this much back lash before?
KIRK FERENTZ: Recruiting has gotten so heightened, you know? At the end of the day, those recruiting rankings, really don't mean crap. I mean, with all due respect. The only rankings that count are the ones in January. It's kind of like winning games. 500 yards offense or 150, if you win, it's a great game, you know? As a head coach, I can say that. Offense, defense, I don't care, as long as we win, we're all happy, and we'll find a way to fix or address whatever we have to.

So, yeah, recruiting is an industry now. There's always been interest in it. Now it's an industry just like the draft. The ridiculous grades they give on drafts, things like that. People that really don't know the systems these players are going through and all that stuff. I'm not knocking it. It's entertaining, but you want to be successful, you have to have an idea of what it is you want to do and who you're going to be. Hopefully you get enough guys that join the program and fit that thing and move forward.

Q. The perception is you don't make any exceptions. Is that fair?
KIRK FERENTZ: I think it's like discipline, every case, in your kids at home, same way, every case is unique and different. There are a lot of things you can consider. I've got 100-plus players I'm responsible for. So if one walks into my office with an issue, and two hours later another guy, you know, one guy may have a lot of credit in the bank, the other guy may not have much credit. Those kind of things. Those all weigh in. It's all human stuff.

No, it's not like Russia from 1960 or something like that. It's a benevolent dictatorship. The best line I ever heard was Marcus Simmons' dad said we teach democracy but don't exercise it here. He was a principal at a school. I thought that was a pretty good line. But anyway, every case is unique.


Big critic here. I actually found some of what he said to be reasonable - every case is unique, you have to have good players to win, etc.

He's not going to change. I get that. Please find someone you trust to keep at these players after they commit. You can still have the final say, but just stay on these kids.

They're bombarded with promises and possibly handouts every day. Treat them like they're special snowflakes until you get the signature on paper. Then break them down to build them back up into young men. They're kids and you can't treat them all like grown men. They don't have that level of maturity yet. They haven't earned that level of respect yet. They aren't Hawkeyes yet. Turn them into Hawkeyes by keeping them in the fold.
 
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