Kirk Ferentz.....High Praise
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Good question. No and no. The involved players were immediately suspended and never played a snap for the Hawks. The victim's family had complaints about how the process was handled and alleged that the athletic dept was trying to silence her. An independent investigation revealed that the athletic dept did not do any such thing, but the University handled the whole situation poorly due to confusing and inconsistently followed policies. This provided an impetus for a revision of the U of Iowa sexual assault response policies.
In general, players who run afoul of the law under Ferentz are never seen again.
HawkGold
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I think you are leaving out part of the story but this wont go well. Your memory is selective. Different times. He did avoid scandal in this. You obviously dont unstand how difficult victim rights are
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InGoodCo
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EXACTLY. At MSU (see LJ Scott 7 times arrested for driving violations) or Nebraska (See Stanley Morgan, JR pot charge over the summer, still played no suspension) - they typically play THAT weekend. When a player shows up in the police report at Iowa, even when it's a minor charge, I give that player about a 30% chance of being with the team moving forward one way or another. Either they get the boot or they leave and when they leave, IMO, that's basically Iowa's way of a forced resignation.
Not many of Iowa's peers rule with that type of iron fist.
InGoodCo
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You're not gonna convince anyone that Kirk Ferentz has a lot of dirt on his hands in a sport that is played in mud. He's pretty much the choir boy of college football.
I left nothing out intentionally, this is what I had previously found through cursory research. I also did not say the victim was not wronged: the independent investigation found that the U of I dropped the ball, and that is incredibly unfortunate. There was no evidence of a cover-up at any level.
Your post did cause me to go back and look a bit further. The independent investigation did also find evidence of victim harassment by football players and other athletes:
http://www.chronicle.com/article/U-of-Iowa-Mishandled-Rape/41645
That is very bad. The question then becomes how long did it take Ferentz to find out about said harassment, and if/when he did, how did he respond? I don't know the answer to that. Do you?
We have seen things like this go on for years at Baylor, leading to a "rape culture." There doesn't seem to be any evidence of that at Iowa. I am open to the possibility that Coach Ferentz could have handled this better, and even to the chance that he acted at some point in self-interest. However, we have a lot of years of evidence that he primarily acts with integrity, so while remaining open to possibilities, I would not jump to those conclusions without some actual evidence.
Clock management has been way better in recent years. Couldn't control scoring too early at the end of Penn State game. D just needed to hold.
yeah a kid is not going to get busted 7 times for driving while suspended and still play on his team. Darth Vader at MSU lets 'em play.
BigD
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I’ll feel much better if we see the same aggressive style of play with similar results against Wisconsin. If not then it turns into nothing but a fluke, a result from an adrenaline rush. We’ve all seen this from the little sisters of Western Iowa. If this truly was Stanley’s coming out party then it’s a game changer for the program (at least while he is here). I am hoping this marks a turning point for Bryan and his offense and not just a one and done type of thing. After 18 years of history does it all change with just one game. I certainly hope so! Time will tell in just about four days
HawkGold
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Couple of issues with that statement. One should measure things against a standard goal, not others. It's easy to see others failures. The choir boy does imply that it's OK if he's the "goodest". In a place like IC and with his control, there is a lot more ability to suppress things. I have no doubt he runs a "pretty good ship". When we take a position that because we are Iowa and then we are OK and ignore things...that is dangerous. When "we" say we are better than the other guy, that also sets things up. What would have been interesting if KF had suspended BF (which probably should have occurred) and the OSU beat down happened....
I will agree that he runs a "pretty tight ship" and that he has a lot of control/power in many ways. That can be used for a lot of good It also can be abused. What wasn't clear after the investigations was that if a student was injured and further injured were the actions entirely above board? No one should say...we aren't as bad as Baylor or he wasn't as stupid as MN's coach. The questions should be, "was it dealt with as well as it could have been. Were proper mechanisms already in place to do as much as could be done within reasonable standards to prevent the incident in the first place."
I will grant you that we are in a different era even now compared to then.
One injury to a student and ensuing defamation/harassment is too many. Nor can it ever be completely prevented.
HawkGold
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No I don't know the answer. There were some reports that there was an effort initially to cover things up. How far up the chain it went I don't know, but there were thoughts that it went up pretty high.The fact that none of us know doesn't mean we ignore.
I'm not on a witch hunt. I do get annoyed when people take "pat" answers. Again, not saying there was cover up beyond the investigation. I would take more confidence in the matter if the investigation wasn't completed at the bequest of the university. If IDCI had handled it or even if IDCI had hired an outside state to investigate, I would hold more credence to it.
We now operate in a different era. University heads have lost jobs and gone to jail.
The investigation was challenged when the fired employees disagreed with the Stollar findings basically came down to Iowa being an "at will" state.
It would be an interesting investigation if Iowa ever used Stollar for other business or if Iowa used/uses the CR law firm that defended Stollar in court.
proudhawkfan21
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*golf clap* Now go be unhappy in your glass appears to be half empty but it feels completely empty world lol Sell crazy elsewhere. We're all full here.
HawkGold
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Go ahead and be a stupid sheep. I dont randomly bring up this. I responded to the concept that KF has been beyond that. Your response is rather dumb and quite immature.
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Ree4
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Would disagree a little with you on this. It's the only time I've been pissed (really pissed) at Parker this year.
He had Iowa go prevent on the last drive against Penn State. Should have stayed aggressive and take your chances Penn State could not break one.
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They just took shorter crap to move down field. Had them to 4th down two times. Two inches short of tipping it away. I think he even blitzed the last play if I remember correctly.
HawkeyeTech
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They were playing prevent the whole day, not just the last drive. How do you think PSU racked up so many yards and so few points?
HawkeyeTech
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You had it right in the first sentence of this reply. You should have left it at that.
