KF Travesty games

KF reaction to this thread.

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Wow. I just looked up kfootball's record against all B1G schools. Coming into the 2014 kfootball had a losing record against Northwestern. Now, he is even at 7-7. Really!? kfootball is 7-9 against ISU and 7-7 against jNW. On average, we have lost to one of those two schools every year kfootball has been coaching at Iowa. Hmmmm.....
 
I know fairness doesn't exist on this message board, but if you are going to talk about the "travesty" games, shouldn't you also talk about the "great wins"?

I guess that is too much to ask, so I'll do it:

2001: Alamo Bowl victory
2002: Wins against ranked Penn State and ranked Michigan
2003: Win over Big Ten champ Michigan; win over ranked Florida in bowl game
2004: Win over ranked Ohio State; ranked Penn State and Top 10 LSU in Capital One Bowl
2005: Defeated ranked Wisconsin and ranked Minnesota in consecutive weeks
2007: Defeated ranked, undefeated Illinois (Illinois went to the Rose Bowl)
2008: Defeated #2 Penn State and defeated South Carolina in bowl game
2009: Defeated #5 penn State; defeated ranked Wisconsin; defeated ranked Michigan; defeated #9 Georgia Tech in bowl game
2010: Defeated ranked Penn State; defeated ranked Michigan; defeated #5 Michigan State; defeated #12 Missouri in bowl game.
2011: Defeated ranked Michigan
2012: Defeated MSU in East Lansing
2013: Defeated Michigan and Nebraska back-to-back

I'll quit there. I don't want to discourage all the negative posts and the ISU trolls
 
ArvadaHawk said:
Wow. I just looked up kfootball's record against all B1G schools. Coming into the 2014 kfootball had a losing record against Northwestern. Now, he is even at 7-7. Really!? kfootball is 7-9 against ISU and 7-7 against jNW. On average, we have lost to one of those two schools every year kfootball has been coaching at Iowa. Hmmmm.....
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I believe last year (2013) was the first year in his tenure that he beat both during the same year. Granted, we didn't play NU every year in his tenure, but that is pretty amazing that it took him that long to beat two perennial cellar dwellers.
 
ChosenChildren said:
I know fairness doesn't exist on this message board, but if you are going to talk about the "travesty" games, shouldn't you also talk about the "great wins"?

I guess that is too much to ask, so I'll do it:

2001: Alamo Bowl victory
2002: Wins against ranked Penn State and ranked Michigan
2003: Win over Big Ten champ Michigan; win over ranked Florida in bowl game
2004: Win over ranked Ohio State; ranked Penn State and Top 10 LSU in Capital One Bowl
2005: Defeated ranked Wisconsin and ranked Minnesota in consecutive weeks
2007: Defeated ranked, undefeated Illinois (Illinois went to the Rose Bowl)
2008: Defeated #2 Penn State and defeated South Carolina in bowl game
2009: Defeated #5 penn State; defeated ranked Wisconsin; defeated ranked Michigan; defeated #9 Georgia Tech in bowl game
2010: Defeated ranked Penn State; defeated ranked Michigan; defeated #5 Michigan State; defeated #12 Missouri in bowl game.
2011: Defeated ranked Michigan
2012: Defeated MSU in East Lansing
2013: Defeated Michigan and Nebraska back-to-back

I'll quit there. I don't want to discourage all the negative posts and the ISU trolls
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List for 2014, plz. Oh, let me do it for you:

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ChosenChildren said:
I know fairness doesn't exist on this message board, but if you are going to talk about the "travesty" games, shouldn't you also talk about the "great wins"?

I guess that is too much to ask, so I'll do it:

2001: Alamo Bowl victory
2002: Wins against ranked Penn State and ranked Michigan
2003: Win over Big Ten champ Michigan; win over ranked Florida in bowl game
2004: Win over ranked Ohio State; ranked Penn State and Top 10 LSU in Capital One Bowl
2005: Defeated ranked Wisconsin and ranked Minnesota in consecutive weeks
2007: Defeated ranked, undefeated Illinois (Illinois went to the Rose Bowl)
2008: Defeated #2 Penn State and defeated South Carolina in bowl game
2009: Defeated #5 penn State; defeated ranked Wisconsin; defeated ranked Michigan; defeated #9 Georgia Tech in bowl game
2010: Defeated ranked Penn State; defeated ranked Michigan; defeated #5 Michigan State; defeated #12 Missouri in bowl game.
2011: Defeated ranked Michigan
2012: Defeated MSU in East Lansing
2013: Defeated Michigan and Nebraska back-to-back

I'll quit there. I don't want to discourage all the negative posts and the ISU trolls
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Case made!
 
ChosenChildren said:
I know fairness doesn't exist on this message board, but if you are going to talk about the "travesty" games, shouldn't you also talk about the "great wins"?I guess that is too much to ask, so I'll do it:2001: Alamo Bowl victory2002: Wins against ranked Penn State and ranked Michigan2003: Win over Big Ten champ Michigan; win over ranked Florida in bowl game2004: Win over ranked Ohio State; ranked Penn State and Top 10 LSU in Capital One Bowl2005: Defeated ranked Wisconsin and ranked Minnesota in consecutive weeks2007: Defeated ranked, undefeated Illinois (Illinois went to the Rose Bowl)2008: Defeated #2 Penn State and defeated South Carolina in bowl game2009: Defeated #5 penn State; defeated ranked Wisconsin; defeated ranked Michigan; defeated #9 Georgia Tech in bowl game2010: Defeated ranked Penn State; defeated ranked Michigan; defeated #5 Michigan State; defeated #12 Missouri in bowl game.2011: Defeated ranked Michigan2012: Defeated MSU in East Lansing2013: Defeated Michigan and Nebraska back-to-backI'll quit there. I don't want to discourage all the negative posts and the ISU trolls
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A few of those take quite a stretch to be considered "great wins". 2001 Texas Tech finished 7-5. 2003 Florida finished 8-5. 2004 Penn State was not ranked and finished 4-7. 2005 Minnesota finished 7-5. Illinois was not undefeated when we beat them in '07. 2008 South Carolina finished 7-6. 2009 Michigan finished 5-7. 2010 Penn State finished 7-6. 2012 MSU finished 7-6, as did 2013 Michigan. In addition, at least three of the victories that you list as occurring over ranked teams clearly were not. It is just pathetic that you have to stretch things to such ridiculous lengths in order to justify the "accomplishments" of the KF era.
 
droidhawk said:
The lead blowing and gut wrenching losses began in 2001 against either Wisconsin or Michigan. Had a player everyone knew could play except the coach who thought a guy taking 15 credits at a major college couldn't learn a playbook. Why play for the future when you can lose games now?
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Correct. 2001 Michigan. Writing was on the wall after this game for anyone who cared to take a moment and read.
 
2002 ISU; 2005, 2006 and 2008 losses to Northwestern (that last just sucked because of how close we were at the end and how good that team really ended up being); 2005 ISU; 2007 Western Michigan and Indiana losses; 2010, 2011 and 2014 Minnesota losses; 2012 Central Michigan and ISU losses; 2014 Nebraska and ISU.
 
ChosenChildren said:
I know fairness doesn't exist on this message board, but if you are going to talk about the "travesty" games, shouldn't you also talk about the "great wins"?

I'll quit there. I don't want to discourage all the negative posts and the ISU trolls
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Hey Chosen, those were great wins but really that is what we want and expect to see. The KF crew did a great job rebuilding and building up to 2004.

But the OP has an honest point and thread title. I have been saying for 10 years that KF and his coaches but mostly KF is good for 2 losses a year almost handing the game to the opponent.

I feel sorry for the fans and KF himself because he could have 20+ more victories in his Hawk tenure. That makes quite a difference on the old win - loss percentage adding 20 wins and subtracting 20 losses.

Really great coaches win most of these types of games.
 
okeefe4prez said:
I believe last year (2013) was the first year in his tenure that he beat both during the same year. Granted, we didn't play NU every year in his tenure, but that is pretty amazing that it took him that long to beat two perennial cellar dwellers.
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And even more amazing is how it flew under everyone's radar.
 
Northwestern game in 2005 was a turning point in the program.
I still have the "Adam Shada salute" in my head, and it collapsed from that point, until the Penn State game in 2008.
 
All of the games mentioned are bad. My pick is any loss after the the Pitt game this year. It was shown what CJ could do if invested in. Every week there was the expectation that he would play. How many times did KF's pride keep CJ off the field? Clearly not using the players that give you the best chance of winning.
 
uihawk82 said:
Hey Chosen, those were great wins but really that is what we want and expect to see. The KF crew did a great job rebuilding and building up to 2004.

But the OP has an honest point and thread title. I have been saying for 10 years that KF and his coaches but mostly KF is good for 2 losses a year almost handing the game to the opponent.

I feel sorry for the fans and KF himself because he could have 20+ more victories in his Hawk tenure. That makes quite a difference on the old win - loss percentage adding 20 wins and subtracting 20 losses.

Really great coaches win most of these types of games.
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I certainly agree with you....of course many of these losses over the years are frustrating but you have to look at the entire body of work. Am I happy with Ferentz right now? Of course not. I have been begging for a QB change all year. But the negativity on this board is just ridiculous. It accomplishes nothing. Gary Barta (or the next AD) is going to evaluate the program based on wins and losses. You don't fire a 7-5 coach at Iowa who is going bowling. It just isn't going to happen. If Iowa goes 5-7 next year? Then you have to seriously study it and make a tough economic decision. Is anyone paying any attention to what Michigan is offering Harbaugh? Would Iowa have to offer $8 million a year to get a coach better than Ferentz? I'm guessing Iowa may have to offer an equivalent amount as Michigan now to attract a name coach. It is an arms race and Michigan just raised the bar. If you go the other route, and hire someone who is unproven, is that the proper move?

Most on this board want a coaching change, but have they really thought about who we could possibly get to coach here and what it will cost? Sure, there is fatigue after 16 years, but is it warranted? Should you fire a coach who has led you to bowl games in 12 of the past 14 years??? Those are the tough questions that Barta (or his successor) have to answer. It isn't as obvious as people on this board make it sound.
 
ChosenChildren said:
I know fairness doesn't exist on this message board, but if you are going to talk about the "travesty" games, shouldn't you also talk about the "great wins"?

I guess that is too much to ask, so I'll do it:

2001: Alamo Bowl victory
2002: Wins against ranked Penn State and ranked Michigan
2003: Win over Big Ten champ Michigan; win over ranked Florida in bowl game
2004: Win over ranked Ohio State; ranked Penn State and Top 10 LSU in Capital One Bowl
2005: Defeated ranked Wisconsin and ranked Minnesota in consecutive weeks
2007: Defeated ranked, undefeated Illinois (Illinois went to the Rose Bowl)
2008: Defeated #2 Penn State and defeated South Carolina in bowl game
2009: Defeated #5 penn State; defeated ranked Wisconsin; defeated ranked Michigan; defeated #9 Georgia Tech in bowl game
2010: Defeated ranked Penn State; defeated ranked Michigan; defeated #5 Michigan State; defeated #12 Missouri in bowl game.
2011: Defeated ranked Michigan
2012: Defeated MSU in East Lansing
2013: Defeated Michigan and Nebraska back-to-back

I'll quit there. I don't want to discourage all the negative posts and the ISU trolls
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This just makes all of the bad losses all the more mind boggling. Iowa pretty consistently loses at least 1-2 games a year that it had no business losing. It's been the difference between being a 9-3 program, and a 7-5 program. That is my main problem with KF.
 
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