KF is now 2-5 against Fitz.
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STILLBUSTER
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No, when you say Kirk Ferentz couldn't win at anywhere else but Alabama while conveniently leaving out the part WHERE HE WON AT IOWA, I stop taking what you post seriously and just assume you're doing your trolling schtick.
I'm not opposed to Iowa firing Ferentz, just don't belittle what he has accomplished by comparing him to two guys who haven't accomplished a damn thing.
clicheusername3
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I Liked OK4P's post. I did not Like this.
That's like saying Paul Rhoads hasn't accomplished a damn thing. The job he has done at ISU thus far is absolutely incredible and his best outcome has been 7 wins. ISU was and is a complete crap hole. It is where coaches go to ruin their career. They are historically a bottom 5 BCS program statistically. They are now winning, or staying in ballgames against top 5 teams. So when saying Fitz hasn't done a damn thing, there are variables other than record.
okeefe4prez
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Ferentz has two shared Big Ten titles and has won an Orange Bowl. In 14 years. That's it. Okay, the Cap 1 win on the last play where Saban was on his way out the door and their defense choked was a nice win as well. But the Big Ten has changed radically in the past few years. Paterno, Tressel and Carr are gone and the guy who destroyed Michigan football is gone as well. And Nebraska has joined. The coaching level he is facing today is drastically better than what he saw in those early years.
But you are minimizing the accomplishments of guys like Fitz and Rhoads. Because going 5-2 against Iowa is a pretty freaking big deal for Northwestern given their inherent disadvantages. And winning in Lincoln last year and darn near beating Nebraska again this year is a pretty big deal for any team. And for ISU fans, beating Iowa is a pretty big deal as well, as was their win and near win over Nebraska and their win over then number 2 Oklahoma State.
Ferentz just is not able to overcome talent deficiencies and not only that, he is VERY susceptible to guys who have less talent but who are creative and willing to take a risk. And that is why I say Ferentz could only win at Alabama. He has proven time and again that he needs NFL caliber talent at all three levels of the defense to win at least 8 games. When you run a base 4-3, that's fine and Nick Saban looks like a genius running it in Alabama, but it's because he's got freaking 6 or 7 NFL guys in the front 7. Just like Iowa in 2004 had Roth, Greenway, Hodge and Babs in his front 7 and in 2009 he had Ballard, Clayborn, Edds and Angerer in the front 7 - as you saw with the massive drops in 2005 and 2010, you take away any of that delicate balance and Kurt is toast.
Fitz and Rhoads NEVER have guys like that and they'll NEVER have them, yet they can beat Kurt. Again, Kurt just does not have the coaching ability to overcome talent deficits and that is why he is a bad coach. And his problem has become exacerbated by the fact that he seems to have 2 or 3 years on and 2 or 3 years off cycle that leave the bench completely depleted and every few years, it's like we're at square one again.
You realize that Randy Walker won at Northwestern right? (even shared a conference title) You realize that Dan Macarney won at ISU right? You act like they went to programs that have never won a game before.
I never said they were bad coaches. I don't think Ferentz is a bad coach. They all have flaws which I'm not sure would translate to other programs. I just don't believe Fitz to be the second coming of Bear Bryant. I don't believe Rhoads or Fitz could take over Iowa and do better than what Ferentz accomplished. They might be able to match what he did, but I think some people take for granted just what Ferentz accomplished. At some point programs come to a point where it becomes stale and you need to move on and Iowa might be at that point. That doesn't mean that Kirk Ferentz isn't just as good of a football coach that he was a decade ago.
okeefe4prez
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Walker won a title with Barnett's guys. When he passed, the cupboard was pretty bare and Fitz had to do a fairly heavy rebuild. The guy is like freaking 37 years old. He's almost 20 years younger than Kurt.
But that lost bolded sentence is correct. Ferentz is just as good of a football coach as he was a decade ago. Problem is, that ain't as good of a coach as the programs closest to IC have now.
Reading posters trying to claim Lick is a better coach than Fitz is absolutely comical. Please, carry on!
And I think Lick is a solid coach. He's in a world of **** right now because of his own doing but he is 10 games over .500 in his B10 career. He has won some big games, lost some bad ones. Fairly clean program outside of a few things. And he is smart enough to hire an agent that has Iowa financially by the balls. Give the guy credit.
But to say he could do anything close to what Fitz has done at NW is laughable. He struggles to keep Iowa .500 in the B10.
And I think Lick is a solid coach. He's in a world of **** right now because of his own doing but he is 10 games over .500 in his B10 career. He has won some big games, lost some bad ones. Fairly clean program outside of a few things. And he is smart enough to hire an agent that has Iowa financially by the balls. Give the guy credit.
But to say he could do anything close to what Fitz has done at NW is laughable. He struggles to keep Iowa .500 in the B10.
okeefe4prez
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Fairly clean program? Dude has had how many guys get arrested? And what happened to Coker? City Boyz Inc. Rhabdo. That's just the thing, our players have an arrest record on par with say Miami and yet our team sucks. Thank God Bonecrusher Williams was sent packing to Purdue to commit his series of assaults on helpless women. That was a good move by Kurt.
If kirk was coach at Alabama he would lead them to a bunch of hard fought close victories over teams they were way better than. He would also lose some games to Vanderbilt.
I should have been more specific. Lick hasn't been caught cheating.
Nothing has been brought up that would compromise the accomplishments on the field such as covering up a rapist to protect the program, playing guys that you know accepted money and tats in exchage for signed jerseys and such, practicing over the limits of the NCAA, "tutoring" sessions that equate to people doing course work for athletes. These are all things B10 programs have been punished for lately.
At least Lick has avioded that or at least is well accomplished in not getting caught.
How much more would you say?
What DID happen to Coker?
MoseSchrute
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Hey, isn't the corporal also 0-3 against directional Michigan teams?
Bigtenchamp
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This is why the "Talent gap" argument is utter Bull**** - we lose to plenty of teams that have no recruiting advantage over us. We have one of the best developmental coaches in the NCAA who is also an absolute dud as a game day coach.
BILLBUCKNER
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The reason NW typically will not get the bowl bids we do is they will not put the butts in seats we do.. We have tremendous fan following. Many people plan their holiday vacation around where the Hawks will be bowling. NW doesn't get near the fan support. Bowls are about butts in seats and eyeballs on TV.
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Scorpio79
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This is fact, and it could also serve as a wake-up call to Gar-Bar. When Iowans say "meh" to another crapfest season and don't follow the team to whichever garbage bowl gives us an invite, it might force a change.
I wouldn't spend a dollar to follow this team (nor many other Ferrets teams) to Le FruityZooty Bowl in Filthtown, FL or AZ. No thank you.
okeefe4prez
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Just to update this post from 2012, Kurt still has a losing record against Fitz, he has been to a Rose Bowl but he has never won in C-Bus and he never will, unlike Ronald Zook.
ClintonIAfan
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That's false, Iowa beat them in 2007, 2011, 2013, 2014, and 2015.
